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Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by ulfw on Thursday May 21, 2020 @01:40PM (#23261812)
"Facebook will reduce the pay of workers who move to less expensive areas."

That is ridiculous. A job is a job. Also what prevents anyone from keeping a California phone number and a PO Box in Menlo Park or wherever? At what point have you 'moved'?

Note: I don't advocate doing this. I neither work in CA nor at Facebook. I just wonder if this doesn't open things up for being to game the system.

Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by cobookman on Thursday May 21, 2020 @01:46PM (#23261901)
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by jefftk on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:09PM (#23262376)
You could still live in a much cheaper area of the same state. In the case of CA, drive 4hr out of SF and you can find houses for $100k that would be $1M in the city, with much more land.

(Not something I would prefer, but many would.)

Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by dver on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:10PM (#23263463)
Not a 100k, 300k will get you something nice in the foothills.
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by econcon on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:14PM (#23262488)
what's the area of that 100k house?
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by jefftk on Thursday May 21, 2020 @04:28PM (#23264670)
Example: https://www.redfin.com/CA/Ione/1400-W-Marlette-St-95640/unit... in Ione CA. 3br, 1400sqft, under $100k, under 4hr from SF.
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by GhettoChild on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:18PM (#23263579)
Salton City, CA
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by thirtyseven on Thursday May 21, 2020 @01:49PM (#23261976)
"Hey ulfw, would you mind coming into the office tomorrow for X? Shouldn't be an issue since you're local..."
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by novok on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:58PM (#23263275)
Man, it will take about 6hrs of driving total with all the traffic from concord to menlo park, could we just do a zoom meeting instead?
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by ulfw on Thursday May 21, 2020 @01:59PM (#23262182)
The idea is to not come into work as you're WFH permanently in this setup.

Listen I am not advocating doing this. I don't even live there nor do I work at Facebook. I just feel like this is easily gameable.

Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by delaynomore on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:43PM (#23262981)
WFH permanently does not mean you never visit the office. We have remote team members and they drop by the office once in a while.
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by city41 on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:08PM (#23262368)
I doubt most people will take the risk of gaming their employer.
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by kube-system on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:46PM (#23263051)
...Or the IRS, on your W4.
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by hackissimo123 on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:41PM (#23262957)
This point comes up again and again. On the one hand, I want to agree. Why should my moving to a lower COL area mean that my employer is entitled to capture a higher fraction of the value I produce?

On the other hand, you are almost definitely reading this comment on a device that was manufactured in a "low cost of living area" (namely: China) by people who get paid far below Western wages. Likewise, most of the clothes you wear were manufactured in a "cheap" country by people who get paid next to nothing. If you had bought these goods from a US- or Europe-based manufacturer, you would have paid far more, and the people who produced the value would have received higher wages.

So if Facebook shouldn't be allowed to reduce the pay of workers who move to less expensive areas, why don't we apply this logic across the board? Why is it okay for you (or me) to reduce the pay of our own workers (by which I mean the people who work who work for us indirectly, by creating the goods we consume) just because they live in less expensive areas?

It seems to me that you can't have it both ways.

Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by mdoms on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:18PM (#23262564)
> That is ridiculous. A job is a job.

And a market is a market. It doesn't matter what you do for a living, your salary/wage is, to some degree, determined by where you are, among many other variables.

Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by ideals on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:15PM (#23262501)
What's interesting is that if you stay in their Menlo Park office, you cost FB your salary + office sq/ft + office maintenance/security/cleaning/etc. But if you chose to work remotely you cost FB your salary - colo adjustment.

The incentive is clearly to stay and cost FB more money per head.

Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by ivalm on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:36PM (#23262857)
The hiring/retaining employee incentive for FB is opposite.
Re:Facebook to shift permanently toward more remote work aft... by mylons on Thursday May 21, 2020 @01:44PM (#23261881)
great way to game the system. probably even worth it to pay someone a few hundred a month to let you send mail to their house.