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Re:Windows package manager does not permit opting out of tel... by falcolas on Thursday May 21, 2020 @11:06AM (#23259245)
A lack of feedback from everyday users is not a reasonable justification for the carte-blanche exfiltration of data from those 'reticent' users.

There are dozens of ways to get feedback from users, but most of them require the company to pay for them. Companies are as bad as your average Joe in this fashion; why pay when they can simply pretend that privacy and data protection laws don't exist and just take?

I said it elsewhere in this topic: My purchase of your software does not give you the right to exfiltrate data from my system. You're welcome to ask for it, or to pay for it, but in no way is it yours to just take.

Re:Windows package manager does not permit opting out of tel... by gigel82 on Thursday May 21, 2020 @12:38PM (#23260726)
They do "pay for it". That's why the Home edition of Windows went down from $239 with Vista to $199 with Windows 7 to $139 with Windows 10. Sooner or later, I suspect they will have a "free" (ad supported) SKU.
Re:Windows package manager does not permit opting out of tel... by falcolas on Thursday May 21, 2020 @01:31PM (#23261643)
Windows 10 is already ad supported. Unless you find the right options to opt out, you're bombarded with ads in almost every aspect of the UI.

Additionally, mandatory telemetry was in no part of the purchase process (well, neither were ads). Instead, it's in a completely separate clickwrap 'agreement' (that's subject to change without warning) that's only made clear when you're install the software.

Re:Windows package manager does not permit opting out of tel... by gruez on Thursday May 21, 2020 @02:21PM (#23262610)
>That's why the Home edition of Windows went down from $239 with Vista to $199 with Windows 7

One thing you're omitting: windows xp home was only $199, just like with windows 7. vista seems to be an outlier in terms of prices.

Also, all the prices you've listed are for the full version (ie. not upgrade). The upgrade prices are much lower, and are in line with the current price for windows 10, which does not have separate pricing for upgrade vs full. You can still interpret this as a price drop, but most people get their computers through OEMs, and so aren't paying retail prices. I suspect people who build their own PCs also tend to not buy legitimate licenses. Also, AFAIK the checks for the "upgrade" version aren't particularly rigorous. You could install a pirated copy first, leave it activated, then do a clean install, and it wouldn't complain about the licensing.

Re:Windows package manager does not permit opting out of tel... by Arainach on Thursday May 21, 2020 @03:15PM (#23263544)
$200 in 2001 is roughly $240 in 2009 dollars.