My fear is that we're in for a tedious decade where we see unironically-announced re-implementations of every existing iOS, Android, and Linux desktop application against this upcoming target platform, with corresponding re-occurrences of previously-seen bugs and security vulnerabilities to match.
I'd prefer to learn that we're going to standardize on open web technologies for delivery of software, and that for each case there'll be at least a few mature open source applications or libraries that fit the bill -- and that all that amazing developer capability and productivity is directed towards maintaining and enhancing those, instead of re-inventing them.
We'll see.
I mentioned in another comment, it’s nowhere near a stretch to see Typescript extended and compiled down to C#, where suddenly we are all on the .NET stack because we all got shepherded via Typescript. It can happen that fast.
Then we’ll forget what basic JavaScript is because we’re so used to scaffolding with .NET UI Kits and server apis. How vulnerable is the web community to this? Pretty vulnerable, a lot of us are tied into React or Angular or Vue, or even in more specific cases tied into a UI library like Material. Apologies for the narrow web centric perspective, I know there is a world outside of web :p
If I had to takeover with my stack, this is exactly how I’d do it.
First of all C# doesn't run in the browser without compiling to WASM which has all sorts of caveats.
Second, I don't see how the fact that one could compile TS to C# would suddenly put everyone "on the .NET stack". Does the same risk exist if we can compile JS to C#? Which would work about just as well (i.e. not). And TS is also open source and produces reasonably readable JS, so it's not like there's even any lock-in.
Wouldn't it make more sense to be worried about compiling C# or other languages to WASM? Which I'm also not worried about.
Did you think Typescript would be the native language in Deno? No, you thought it was something that you might or might not use depending on the situation. Well guess what, that choice is gone for you in Deno’s case. These things compound.
It’s one of the reasons you will see people make a simple blog site with create-react-app, they are so inoculated with the hammer that everything is a nail. Did we think we’d be using React like that and forgo style sheets? Just inline all styles? That’s what we all do now. I had no idea we’d become that nuts, but it happened.
It’s not particularly bad in all cases, but for the web it is because we’ll stop using standard technologies that are supported across all types of scenarios.
Yes? I thought that was the whole point. Actually I'm confused about the use of "native" here. It supports running both TS and JS files? And the TS files must be compiled to JS before they can be run anyway. So I'm not seeing any choice that was lost.
That’s what we all do now
I mean, some people do, but I don't. Not everyone uses React / Vue / etc, and afaik it's only React that is forgoing stylesheets. And it's not like stylesheets are dead or that styling elements through JS is non-standard. (I do use Vue, with stylesheets)
I hold out hope for the nascent Deno community to find some way to build in Swift as a core language, too...
I wonder when that data will be exposed on LinkedIn (hey recruiters, this guy is working late hours a lot!).
And then the eventual integration of that dystopian system with MS's developer monopoly. Now we have a truly "boring dystopia".
The worst part is: MS now has all the tools for this and more.
I'd love to see Mozilla hop on board with it
Javascript ecosystem extinguished. Everybody will forget how to write on the open web platform.
Witness the delightful, slow-motion failure to launch that was Dart...
There's pretty much no one left in the conversation who could credibly move us past an endless JS-only future of progressively-more-TS-like ES20XXs at this point...
(And, IMHO, saying that Rust is a Mozilla thing is just plain incorrect.)
microsoft, and apple also, should make desktop native apps easier to develop. and stop with the mobile chase.
only apps from the top 10 in every app store are used on a daily basis. customers are not willing to use anything else, unless required to -- i.e. bank, insurance, etc.
on the other hand, we are always willing to give an improved desktop app a try.
VSCode, Typescript, Github, WSL, the inevitable tie into Azure...
I wonder how this all ends.
We can short circuit some of the inevitability I guess, still holding out for this: https://panic.com/nova/
Looks like Deno already adopted Typescript, but the world doesn’t have to revolve around Github.
AWS and Azure will keep each other honest.
Edit: I’ll add that I really really don’t think Microsoft wants to proselytize developers into it’s ecosystem just to make apps for Windows. I really think they are going to try mobile again.