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Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by carapace on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:24PM (#23248747)
> building capabilities in space, on the military side

That's a total failure. Absolute, complete, across-the-board failure of the human race.

Just a few decades ago the militarization of space was universally acknowledged as inappropriate and this was codified in international law.

Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by DuskStar on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:30PM (#23248819)
> Just a few decades ago the militarization of space was universally acknowledged as inappropriate and this was codified in international law.

That's a hell of an interpretation...

I'd instead say that the world powers recognized that nukes in space would be destabilizing, and banned that specific thing. Space has been militarized since the 60s.

Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by nickff on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @01:32PM (#23249514)
Just to back this up, the Soviets mounted at least one cannon to a space station (Salyut 3 in 1974), and tried to launch an orbital anti-satellite weapons platform (Polyus in 1987).
Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by carapace on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @01:26PM (#23249455)
There are satellites for watching and communicating, but no weapons.

Of course, actually there are weapons on some of the satellites but everyone pretends that there aren't to maintain stability. Publicly putting weapons in space is destabilizing, stupid to the point of evil.

Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by pyuser583 on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @03:56PM (#23251037)
Since the 50s.
Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by Fauntleroy on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:38PM (#23248918)
I love your idealism, but you're living on a planet full of humans. I don't _like_ this very much, but it's obvious that other superpowers (China) aren't going to be hemmed in by idealism, so we need to make sure that we are in a position to (at the very least) defend ourselves in space.

Heck, even in the most idealistic portrayal of the future (Star Trek TNG) there's plenty of war in space.

Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by carapace on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @01:24PM (#23249418)
Star Trek is teleplay (I'm a huge Trekker: I have a replica of a tricorder signed by Shatner himself, in front of me, at SVCC (Thanks Woz!). He smiled at me and said, "Nice to see ya'." I still have the silver sharpie marker he used. Touched by his own hand. One day I'll meet a kid wearing a Starfleet uniform and Vulcan ears and bequeath 'em that pen, but the tricorder is getting buried with me when I die. Hardcore ST4LIFE.)

Now then, you can't hold up Star Trek as something to help decide policy in actual space.

If anything "Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is the sci-fi to look to. I don't want to give a spoiler though, but, uh, whoever gets to the Moon first effectively rules the Earth.

That accounts for local space around the Earth, now Alan Dean Foster was the first sci-fi author to point out that war is impossible in space due to fundamental physics. I don't have the time to go into it now but it's not hard to work out once you clear away the mental/emotional dross.

In sum, "war" in "space" is a mental concept not grounded in physical reality. People have been watching too much fiction and are all screwed up in the head in re: the realities of space and physics.

If we wind up with "war" in "space" it will be a kind of theater that the powerful use to cow the naive.

Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by colinplamondon on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @08:20PM (#23253574)
Moon is a Harsh Mistress is definitely what I look to too, also. Even if the US is becoming more authoritarian over time, it's far from the worst Great Power. We do deeply, deeply shitty, immoral things constantly.

Compared to the Soviets, Mao, German Reich #2 / #3, Napoleonic France... the world could do worse for the First nation to take the moon.

Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by carapace on Thursday May 21, 2020 @01:55AM (#23255246)
I don't talk about it much because it seems ungentlemanly, but FWIW I'm an American exceptionalist too. I agree with you that, if someone has to be top dog, it should be us rather than the commies, etc.

But I strongly suspect that we won't be able to colonize space without fixing our personal problems.

Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by kchr on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:44PM (#23248988)
...Bad example. The point of TNG was to demonstrate how humans overcame conflict and are exploring space to find new species and help solving conflicts.
Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by colinplamondon on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @08:16PM (#23253556)
Whoever controls the gravity well controls the world - I'd sure as hell rather that be my team, and not the other team.

There are no effective international institutions. The human race hasn't figured out any way to unify on a global level. There are no world police - just scattered teams with nukes at each others' throats.

If history is any indication, being on the losing team means being on the wrong side of obliteration and conquest. Being on the winning team matters - a lot.

This is the prisoner's dilemma, without any benefit to cooperation. The US has the wealth and the industrial base to spread throughout the solar system faster and more aggressively than anyone else.

Whoever militarizes space first controls every other nation's access to space, and has the ability to deny access to opposing nations.

I'm thankful the US is doing it before China.

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Re:Nasa head of human spaceflight resigns days before 'histo... by carapace on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @01:29PM (#23249491)
> please don't say anything that further demonstrates your ignorance.

I'll leave that to you, shall I?