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Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:16PM (#23238154)
I dislike Facebook, but this is a really smart way to grab a market share. Most businesses need minimal online presence so FB front is sufficient.

I won't see those businesses, but I know I am a minority, when it comes to this.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by scarface74 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:28PM (#23238302)
Random non rant:

Thank you for being self aware enough to know that you are in the minority when it comes to not having Facebook.

Most posts by people who don’t use FB and post to HN feign ignorance and say something like “I haven’t used FB in 10 years. Does anyone still use it?”

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by braythwayt on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:46PM (#23238531)
I don’t use Facebook, but bragging about that and questioning whether anybody else still uses Facebook feels a lot like asking if anybody still buys Apple phones.

I vaguely recall a HN comment on a different subject which drew a parallel to the famous Yogi Berra quip, “Nobody goes there anymore, too crowded.” It sounds like one of his classic oxymorons, but there is a deeper implication with respect to tastemakers/early adopters/elite users who flee anything once it has its “Eternal September.”

Yes, it’s too crowded, but what we’re really saying with a line like that is, “Too crowded with the wrong kind of people.”

But for me, Facebook is crowded with plenty of the right kind of people. Lots of my climbing tribe coördinate trips on FB, and I miss out on that. There are multiple Volvo enthusiast groups on FB, and I miss out on get-togethers if nobody remembers to text me.

So, scarface74, I’m with you on the importance of being self-aware about the fact that while we may not use a thing for ethical reasons, or because it no longer adds value to our lives, but nevertheless it is still crowded with people who have perfectly valid reasons for liking it.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by JKCalhoun on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:52PM (#23238630)
I don't use Facebook either. Wondering at what point we're not in the minority?
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by hjek on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:06PM (#23238799)
Out of the 7.8 billion people on Earth "only" 2.6 billion are used by Facebook so technically we're already there.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by mv4 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:17PM (#23238925)
3 billion.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by techk on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @03:45AM (#23244348)
World internet population is 4.5 billion and ~1 billion live in China.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by hjek on Saturday May 23, 2020 @09:03AM (#23282581)
Ouch!
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by graham_paul on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:27PM (#23239030)
sounds encouraging
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by milin on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:43PM (#23239241)
I no longer use facebook as well and I know a lot of people in my age group not using it. But having said that, a lot of people, specially older people still do and they have valid reasons for it. May be shops will be targeted towards them.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by true_religion on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:28PM (#23239038)
Facebook is like LinkedIn. Everyone has an account, but not everyone cares about theirs.

You keep your Facebook account for the rare occasion that it’s useful. I logged into mine to keep up with old friends during covid, rather than waiting for reunions to find out if someone died.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by dvduval on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:56PM (#23238682)
I don't trust Facebook, but I use it. I don't spend money on Facebook. I don't intend to have a financial relationship with Facebook. There certainly are some benefits of using Facebook for certain purposes.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by graham_paul on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:29PM (#23239066)
> I don't intend to have a financial relationship with Facebook.

You wish it was that way but you do have one. An increasing number of businesses submit their financial data to Facebook and Facebook uses that data to track your offline activities. Few months ago they made some of this info available to you.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by QuixoticQuibit on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @04:22AM (#23244567)
Can you elaborate on this?
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by SaxoAnglo on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:33PM (#23239117)
Funny that, I don't trust Facebook, so I don't use it.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by stephenr on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:16PM (#23238907)
Minority of what exactly?

As pointed out downthread, a lot more people on earth don’t have FB than do.

I’d also wager plenty of people who’ve stopped using it still technically “have” an account but never use it.

So how do you define that “the majority” use Facebook?

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by tjkrusinski on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:23PM (#23238989)
Each month, 3 billion people (de-duped) use one of Facebook's products.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by scarface74 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:28PM (#23239036)
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

First subtract China where it isn't available and you're down to a possible market of 6.35 Billion. But then start subtracting the number of children in the world, the number too poor to spend any money on anything FB would be selling or advertising and random other places where it might be blocked.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by stephenr on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:45PM (#23239965)
That’s a lot of words to say “the majority of Facebook users are using Facebook”.

That you just ignore the country with the largest population because Facebook doesn’t operate there is a big tell.

Also, why would you assume the kind of products people might sell and thus their pricing? I’ve seen (and bought!) stuff online for ~ 11THB. 35 US cents.

You can say a lot of people use Facebook and that’s fine. But if you’re going to say “the majority of people” you really need to define which people you’re talking about.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by scarface74 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:22PM (#23240396)
No business cares about trying to reach people who don't have money to spend on their products. It's kind of common sense that FB isn't trying to reach 5 years old. Also, it's kind of common sense that Facebook doesn't have many people in China where it's banned. Out of the FAANGM's, the only one that competes with Facebook is Google and they aren't in China either.

But to be even more blunt. FB no more cares about people spending 35 cents online than Apple cares about people who only want to/can buy a phone that cost $100.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by edmundsauto on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:45PM (#23239969)
Facebook has >50% of their TAM, which works for me as a definition. TAM: - over 13 years old with internet access and not in China.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by munchbunny on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:24PM (#23238991)
I think it's pretty clear what was meant even if it might not technically be a minority/majority.

For the markets that Facebook is common in, it has enough of a user base that it can be an all-in-one for a small business.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by ngokevin on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:12PM (#23239577)
People in tech love to brag about not having / using FB :)
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by cameronbrown on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @06:34PM (#23241095)
The irony. And these are the same people that conveniently don't realise their paychecks are enabled, at least in some small way, by Facebook. It's not everyone, but it's most.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by SaxoAnglo on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:31PM (#23239091)
I haven’t used FB in 10 years. Does anyone that matters to your business still use it?
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by g-garron on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:02PM (#23238757)
You are right, it is a great move. I do not like it either, nor use it, except when I need to find small commerce sites in my city. I know they do not have their own webpages, so it is useless to look them on Google, but they all have a Facebook Fan Page. With this move, Facebook will get even more business, and less and less small companies will see the need to build and maintain their own sites. It is also a great move against Shopify
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by mbreese on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:23PM (#23238987)
I see this as a good move too. I've only recently had to start re-using Facebook just because so many of our local restaurants have been posting information about new hours or menus, etc (covid-related changes) only on their FB page. Even for those businesses that have a separate web site (and domain), they most often publish updates to only FB. It would make sense for FB to formalize this de-facto relationship.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by runawaybottle on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:45PM (#23238529)
It also will blur the line between sponsored reviews and sales. So imagine when you watch a review for something on YouTube, or see someone share a product on Insta, you just straight up buy that item/service from their page. You’ll now have your payment hooked into these platforms and they can take advantage of serious impulse buying.

Could subvert Patreon in a way also. The implications are there I think.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by hckr_news on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:07PM (#23238805)
It looks quite seamless from first glance. Was eventually going to happen I think given how much time people spend on these platforms. Instagram influencers will have an easier time and may perhaps forgo Shopify-built sites for the sake of simplicity by routing fans to their Instagram marketplace. Can see YouTube introducing YouTube-shop to keep people within the Google ecosystem and compete with Facebook.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by type0 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @06:01PM (#23240834)
> Can see YouTube introducing YouTube-shop to keep people within the Google ecosystem and compete with Facebook.

Next, Youtube to partner with IKEA to bring you a virtual reality furniture shop /s

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by seph-reed on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:26PM (#23238272)
> really smart

Maybe effective? Smart implies a bit too much imo. For a while now, users have been using pages to promote their businesses and using FB pay for transactions. It seems this was inevitable, and I'm more surprising how long it took than how "really smart" it is.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by jasonv on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:43PM (#23238498)
I work in banking. Everything we do, that's easier elsewhere, is harder in banking, because it's a bank (regulated, money, etc).

Everything Facebook builds has to scale to billions immediately. Could be a contributing factor to why it took them this long to do this.

Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by seph-reed on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:30PM (#23239083)
That makes a lot of sense. Does raise the stakes quite a bit too, which makes the decision maybe a little bit difficult. So the engineers who make the thing happen are for sure smart. And the researchers who prove it should be profitable are also pretty smart. But the idea itself -- trying to take over some other market that they already have a foothold in -- is pretty obvious.
Re:Introducing Facebook Shops by cameronbrown on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @06:14PM (#23240929)
Why would it? They can do controlled rollouts if they want. Core design has to scale, but I seriously doubt they'd be planning for millions/QPS right out the gate.