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Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by billme on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:10AM (#23235676)
Never looked at Brave’s business model - and agree, it’s possibly more toxic than ADs. That being Brave wants you to buy their currency to pay creators then the creators pay them to get paid. On top of that, they created their own AD network and are paying out 70% of profits to the users, which sounds like huge conflict of interest.

EDIT: Appears Brave is even holding payments in escrow for parties that did not even sign up to receive payments, that’s not shady at all. Even makes me wonder what’s happening to all the funds in escrow.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by arcticbull on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:19AM (#23235795)
Worse they accept payment on behalf of creators who haven't even signed up. Surprised that's even legal. It's come up here before:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by BrendanEich on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:05PM (#23237237)
We quickly (by January 2019) corrected a mistake shipped in December 2018, so please update your priors on us. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20290942.

Repeating out of date information _per se_ and to ascribe malice is never justified, whatever you think of ads.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by arcticbull on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:39PM (#23237708)
I haven't investigated it since that thread, so I don't know what changes were made. Apologies if it was corrected and resolved, I'll check it out again, and assuming it has I certainly have no interest in spreading misinformation.

However, I think the idea that telling people you were going to be collecting money on behalf of someone, not letting them know, and just keeping it isn't likely to have been some small "whoopsie." Building a system to let people know didn't happen by accident. The $100 threshold wasn't an oversight. Not including visual differentiation between verified and unverified creators wasn't a slip-up. These had to have been purposeful and thought-out decisions.

I don't think the idea was to steal as much BAT as possible from would-be donors, it felt like a growth hack: you know, make it seem like Brave works everywhere, then one day when it is, we can all forget about the fake-it-till-you-make-it bit.

Which is normally fine, but people tend to get defensive about their money.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by billme on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:58PM (#23239413)
Feel free to explain how exactly Brave’s actions were not intentional, this wasn’t just a bug, but series of intentional actions via code, interfaces, emails, documentation, internal policies, etc.

Further, comments, tweets, etc. generally are not the best way to communicate issues as complex as this, nor do I feel it the public’s job to clean up or go out of their way. You made a mess, you clean it up.

(You appears to be serial down voting; classy.)

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by catalogia on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @10:22PM (#23242670)
> (You appears to be serial down voting; classy.)

Hacker news does not allow you to downvote responses to your comments. (Nor for that matter, can you tell who it was that downvoted you, so that accusation is unfounded.)

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by wmeredith on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:06PM (#23237240)
The Napster guy did something similar with his micro-payments system. Did not go well.
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by sieabahlpark on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:12AM (#23235707)
You could also just not spend any money and leave that feature disabled.
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by vorpalhex on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:44AM (#23236103)
And you could use Facebook and disable every tracking feature and hope they're honest.

When someone does shady things in one area.. they probably do them in others.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by ViViDboarder on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:51PM (#23237897)
What then differentiates it from Firefox?
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by mthoms on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:22PM (#23239705)
Compatibility with Chrome, its plugin ecosystem, and developer tools — but without the Google integration.

It's got some competitors in this respect though. Namely Vivaldi and Edge.

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by zapzupnz on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:13PM (#23240268)
So basically … Chromium?
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by mthoms on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @08:50PM (#23242166)
Basically … No.

Brave has all the Google integrations removed.

https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...

Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by artificial on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:40AM (#23236055)
Never, then that will completely nullify the ability to be outraged on others behalf and complain about it! I wonder if these are the folks that mash every button on the elevator, because everything must be enabled?
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by billme on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @12:35PM (#23236870)
Exactly how do I know Brave has not collected funds for me, but hasn’t told me?
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data by artificial on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @06:09PM (#23240892)
How do I know if there is an answer to this question if I haven't searched?