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Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by romwell on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:41PM (#23229690)
>discrimination against women of common child-bearing ages [..] is still common in countries where full benefits exist.

What you just provided is an argument for parental leave.

Arguably, the benefits are not full if male parents aren't eligible.

This benefit shouldn't be defined by gender:

- pregnancy-related benefits should be given to people who can get pregnant

- parenthood-related benefits should be given to people who have just become parents (guardians of a newborn, etc).

Anything other than this is a stop-gap non-solution, with aforementioned negative side effects.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jjeaff on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:50PM (#23239327)
Even with equal paternity leave, I think we all know that it will be used at a much lower rate than maternity leave. And so will employers. It will still be much riskier to hire young women than men if turnover is costly.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by romwell on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:38PM (#23239902)
> I think we all know that it will be used at a much lower rate

It's a circular argument, since the main reason men aren't taking time off work to devote to parenting is the absence of such a leave.

The reality is that if you provide the leave, everyone will use it. (I work for a company that provides one, though a rather short one).

Ideally, the law will be written such that it's not an either-or scenario, and both parents could take the leave consecutively should they choose to (e.g. eligibility for a 6-month leave starting within 6 months of becoming a new parent).

And this will make it much harder for companies to discriminate, as it spreads the risks out. Old men can (and do) father children too.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by curryst on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @01:23PM (#23249414)
> It's a circular argument, since the main reason men aren't taking time off work to devote to parenting is the absence of such a leave.

This is not true. Germany introduced paid paternity leave, and the rates that men use it is still far lower than the rates of maternity leave usage. [1] Other countries might differ, Google wasn't providing me very good results for paternity vs maternity leave usage.

[1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/43488388?seq=1

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jjeaff on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:58AM (#23270349)
Uh, no, men on average just prefer to work rather than stay home with children. It's not a good thing, imo, but it is just the nature of man.