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Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by koheripbal on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:23PM (#23227197)
I can tell you that discrimination against women of common child-bearing ages for lower-income jobs is still common in countries where full benefits exist.

In Canada, companies refuse to hire women in certain positions because the maternity leave is 1-2 years, and the disruption of having to train and then replace someone can be painful.

As an anecdote, my last company had 3 accountants in 3 years because each one would come in, work for a year, and then take 2 year maternity. It became impossible to handle the stability for a complex position like that. They ultimately refused to hire women, and the man in that job has now been there 5 years.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by romwell on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:41PM (#23229690)
>discrimination against women of common child-bearing ages [..] is still common in countries where full benefits exist.

What you just provided is an argument for parental leave.

Arguably, the benefits are not full if male parents aren't eligible.

This benefit shouldn't be defined by gender:

- pregnancy-related benefits should be given to people who can get pregnant

- parenthood-related benefits should be given to people who have just become parents (guardians of a newborn, etc).

Anything other than this is a stop-gap non-solution, with aforementioned negative side effects.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jjeaff on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:50PM (#23239327)
Even with equal paternity leave, I think we all know that it will be used at a much lower rate than maternity leave. And so will employers. It will still be much riskier to hire young women than men if turnover is costly.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by romwell on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:38PM (#23239902)
> I think we all know that it will be used at a much lower rate

It's a circular argument, since the main reason men aren't taking time off work to devote to parenting is the absence of such a leave.

The reality is that if you provide the leave, everyone will use it. (I work for a company that provides one, though a rather short one).

Ideally, the law will be written such that it's not an either-or scenario, and both parents could take the leave consecutively should they choose to (e.g. eligibility for a 6-month leave starting within 6 months of becoming a new parent).

And this will make it much harder for companies to discriminate, as it spreads the risks out. Old men can (and do) father children too.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by curryst on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @01:23PM (#23249414)
> It's a circular argument, since the main reason men aren't taking time off work to devote to parenting is the absence of such a leave.

This is not true. Germany introduced paid paternity leave, and the rates that men use it is still far lower than the rates of maternity leave usage. [1] Other countries might differ, Google wasn't providing me very good results for paternity vs maternity leave usage.

[1] https://www.jstor.org/stable/43488388?seq=1

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jjeaff on Friday May 22, 2020 @05:58AM (#23270349)
Uh, no, men on average just prefer to work rather than stay home with children. It's not a good thing, imo, but it is just the nature of man.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by ggrrhh_ta on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:55PM (#23228253)
Well, the leave should be distributed exactly in the same amount by the persons responsible for the child and should be of compulsory execution by both, exactly as if you have an accident requiring hospitalisation that prevents you from doing any work. That is, taking care of a dependent until a reasonable age for daycare (which, in my opinion should be around at least 8 months) should be an obligation of the society on the well-being of an innocent dependent human being. And if people worry on the economoc side, think that people taking the responsibility of bringing up minors contribute to economic flourishing in additional spending on goods and services and in providing the payers of the debt we are putting on them to pay to sustain our current and future well-being.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by thatcat on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:57PM (#23227595)
Wouldn't the first ones maternity be over by the time the second one took maternity?
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by koheripbal on Monday May 18, 2020 @05:01PM (#23228330)
Yes, but often they simply decide not to return to work at all.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by godelski on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:04PM (#23229409)
That sounds like an additional variable that's part of a coupled system.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by triceratops on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:00PM (#23228891)
Why not?
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jjeaff on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:53PM (#23239358)
It's pretty common for women to decide to become a full time stay at home mom after having a kid. But naturally, you would use up all of your maternity leave before making that final decision.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by pyuser583 on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:48PM (#23228158)
On the flip side, it’s common for teachers to time pregnancy so the due date will be (end_of_school_year - maternity_leave_duration) so that they’ll get an “extra” three months leave.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by rconti on Monday May 18, 2020 @06:18PM (#23229052)
In Canada, or in the US? My sister's a professor about to have a child in a midwestern US state, and you effectively cannot get maternity leave during the school year.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jjeaff on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:54PM (#23239380)
It would be state by state but in a lot of states, teachers are able to build up a lot of paid sick days which could be used for maternity leave if needed.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by pyuser583 on Monday May 18, 2020 @10:24PM (#23230709)
US.

I was thinking high school. I taught high school and got paternity leave of a month. Private school though.