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Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by JoeAltmaier on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:38PM (#23226610)
Wait - the whole point of the government program was to assist families. Some families take them up, and suddenly its a problem?

"Exploited" and "used for the intended purpose" are not interchangeable phrases.

Having children is not some accident nor disease that must be insured against. The purpose of such government programs is not to alleviate misfortune. There seems to be some deep misunderstanding of the issue here.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by spacephysics on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:13PM (#23227091)
I think when mentioning exploitation, this was in relation to the precisely timed pregnancy to gain full benefits, or leaving directly after the benefits period ended. Not necessarily the use of the program, but the “playing the system” aspect.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by JoeAltmaier on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:16PM (#23227116)
...and you would recommend they choose a worse setup? Don't we all use programs (e.g. buy insurance then go see the dentist) routinely like this?
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by spacephysics on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:27PM (#23229585)
There are numerous differences from a tax-funded maternity program and insurance. (the hope of) free markets determining insurance prices, ability to opt in or out of specific coverage, the source of funding to name a few.

The point isn't to trust people not to scam the system (because just like banks have found another way to abuse (now commercial) mortgage backed securities (CMBS)[0], market dynamics can be applied to people finding a way to abuse the system), but to design such a system best we can that gives the benefits to those the program is intended for, and to prevent abuse from malicious actors.

[0]: https://www.propublica.org/article/whistleblower-wall-street...

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by ryandrake on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @02:14AM (#23231767)
A better example is a 401(k) match. I make contributions that maximize the amount my company matches. My benefits agreement says if I contribute up to $X I’ll get $Y. If I precisely contribute $X am I screwing my employer? It feels almost like I am gaming the system!

I take all the vacation days I’m promised, too. I precisely time it so I use every last day. Screwing my employer again!

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jjeaff on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:59PM (#23239434)
Ya, but drawing maternity leave and forcing your employer to keep your position available to you upon the end of the leave and then telling them at the last minute that you don't plan on coming back is a little bit different. More akin to using sick days when you aren't sick, imo.

But government programs could fix this by paying maternity leave whether or not the mother plans to go back to work. Then they could be open with their employer that they don't plan on coming back.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by jashmatthews on Monday May 18, 2020 @08:51PM (#23230158)
It can take a year of trying to conceive to end up pregnant even for couples without any issues. There's no way anyone can time it that accurately.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by pyuser583 on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:50PM (#23228182)
Planning on not returning, but not telling your employer so they keep paying you on maternity leave is shady as fuck.

A good reason the leave pay should be provided by the state.

Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by JoeAltmaier on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @08:50AM (#23234264)
Like any group-coverage program I agree, it should be a state or federal promise. As the OP says in the title and the article.
Re:The case for national paid maternity leave by thefz on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:58PM (#23226893)
> "Exploited" and "used for the intended purpose" are not interchangeable phrases.

Which is, precisely, the issue at hand here.