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Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by Trasmatta on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:02PM (#23226023)
Didn't he also end up getting banned for life from that casino for counting cards?
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by AdmiralAsshat on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:04PM (#23226065)
Well yes, it wasn't the part that interested me about that paragraph, but if you want the whole thing...

> His research proved successful, netting him twenty thousand dollars, which he donated to the Free Software Foundation, an organization of like-minded believers in the Hacker Ethic. “Its [sic] not like I’m trying to make a living at [blackjack],” Carmack wrote online after his trip, “so the chance of getting kicked out doesn’t bother me too much.” It didn’t take long for him to find out just how he’d feel. On the next trip, Carmack was approached by three men in dark suits who said, “We’d appreciate if you’d play any other game than blackjack.”

> The others at the table watched in disbelief. “Why are they doing this to you?” a woman asked.

> “They think that I’m counting cards,” Carmack said.

> “They think you can remember all those different cards?”

> “Yeah,” Carmack replied, “something like that.”

> “Well, what do you do?”

> “I’m a computer programmer,” he said, as he was escorted out the door.

Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by headcanon on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:09PM (#23227039)
Wouldn't surprise me - I've read some stuff on card counters and seen a few videos, seems like there's a whole other side of successful card counting beyond the technical skill where you have to read out the social situation, since any pit boss worth their salt will be able to spot a card counter a mile away. Which I'm guessing Carmack didn't really care to do since he was just on an intellectual kick.
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by Raidion on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:22PM (#23227190)
Good card counters are always a team, you can't go far solo as it's pretty easy to tell when you're betting 20 dollars one hand, and 500 another.

You usually have a few smaller players just playing fixed bets who call over some higher roller that will do the big betting when the count is high, and then just leave when the count gets low.

Rumor has it that the security cameras now have software that will tally the count automatically, and flag people that play when the count is up. Coupled with player identification (facial recognition/player rewards cards) and correlating player times, casinos are starting to automate this. All rumor, of course, but sounds plausible if you're willing to throw a few million at the problem.

Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by ChuckMcM on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:38PM (#23227370)
Can confirm that the facial recognition cameras and correlating faces to blackjack play is not rumor. To abuse a joke, "There are more cameras in a casino than in a East Village camera close out store." :-)

Back in 2005 I was approached by one of the casino groups that was looking for a director of technology to manage the team that did "camera analytics". Seemed like a pretty neat job technically.

Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by wjnc on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:59PM (#23227621)
So just go to Europe? Pretty sure the GDPR prevents these kind of recognitions.

So I looked up the privacy policy of Holland Casinos and there is no mention of facial recognition, only mention of CCTV for security purposes (under which I wouldn't expect prevention of adverse losses to fall) and a seven day storage period of camera footage. They are not explicit but suggest they do not use camera data for profiling purposes.

Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by Steve0 on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:19PM (#23227845)
Here is a policy of a London casino explaining their facial recognition to be compliant with the gdpr. I suppose this was written pre-brexit.

https://www.hippodromecasino.com/facial-recognition-policy/

Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by ChuckMcM on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:02PM (#23227664)
It would be an interesting test case
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by gowld on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:18PM (#23227141)
What social situation?
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by Raidion on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:23PM (#23227195)
You need to leave before the pitt boss makes you leave.
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by CydeWeys on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:41PM (#23227411)
More like you need to leave before they notice you and make the decision to ban you (once they make that decision it doesn't matter if you've left already or not; you ain't coming back either way).
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by sigzero on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:15PM (#23226247)
So? Counting cards is not illegal if that is what you are trying to insinuate.
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by lemoncucumber on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:21PM (#23226339)
No, but casinos are private businesses with the right to refuse service to anyone, and they tend to exercise that right against people they believe to be counting cards. Card counters are not a protected class.
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by pacificmint on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:32PM (#23227305)
> the right to refuse service to anyone

If I remember correctly, then that is true in Nevada, but not in Atlantic City. There they have to let you play even if they suspect you of counting cards.

Of course that just means they will employ other means to prevent you from counting cards (larger shoes, continuous shuffling, etc).

Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by zbuf on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @03:58AM (#23232429)
As we're here, can someone explain the difference between counting cards vs being actually good at the game of Blackjack?

I've always assumed that the two are really the same thing. If you get good at the game then that implies you're using an intuition for the probabilities of certain events based on the history of the cards.

I suppose the casinos don't have to justify this, or have any moral quandaries about it.

Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by jasonjayr on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:23PM (#23226380)
It's not illegal. But the casino is private property, and if you don't follow their instructions to stop counting, and ask you to leave, now it's trespass.
Re:John Carmack is reading and contributing to OpenBSD sourc... by Trasmatta on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:20PM (#23226322)
I'm not insinuating anything, it's just a fun story.