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Re:Ask HN: Is there still a place for native desktop apps? by userbinator on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:08PM (#23217462)
Without a way for end-users to actually make judgements about application efficiency, there will never be any real pressure to make efficient, native apps.

I'd say it's more of a "without a way for end-users to compare" --- the average user has no idea how much computing resources are necessary, so if they see their email client taking 15 seconds to load an email and using several GB of RAM, they won't know any better; unless they have also used a different client that would do it instantly and use only a few MB of RAM.

Users complain all the time when apps are slow, and I think that's the best point of comparison.

Re:Ask HN: Is there still a place for native desktop apps? by craftinator on Sunday May 17, 2020 @11:33PM (#23218031)
There is an economic theory that's escaping me right now, but the gist is that with certain goods, the market will hover at the very edge of efficiency; they have to become just scarce enough to break a certain threshold, then the market will realize that they are in fact a scarce resource, then correct to achieve a high efficiency equilibrium.
Re:Ask HN: Is there still a place for native desktop apps? by frobozz on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:49AM (#23219521)
Even further: without a way for end users to take action based on that comparison.

If I decide that I don't want to use Slack because it drains my battery, then I can't take part in Slack conversations.

Because Slack is the go-to chat application for so many teams, excluding myself from those conversations is not feasible.

End result: I carry on using Slack.

Re:Ask HN: Is there still a place for native desktop apps? by Piskvorrr on Monday May 18, 2020 @07:23AM (#23221011)
THIS. I do remember outright revelations in user experience, as I showed people how much better Firefox 2.0 was, compared to IE6 (and looking back, version 2.0 wasn't all that wonderful, from present point of view - tells you more about IE than about FF).

edit: it was 2.0, I misremembered.