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Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by znpy on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:22PM (#23215091)
Unless Microsoft releases at least one of its products (ms-sql, visual studio, windows, office) under an open source license i'm calling bullshit.
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by satysin on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:37PM (#23215228)
They have a couple of open source products.

However they are not one of the big 4 as you have listed.

I have heard MS employees talk about open sourcing some of their bigger products and the conversation always comes down to the issue of the third party code (libraries, etc) they use that cannot be open sourced along with the main product.

I'm not defending Microsoft in any way just giving an explanation I have heard over the last few years. I believe Mark Russinovich has talked about open sourcing things a number of times if you want to look into it further.

Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by elcomet on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:27PM (#23215128)
Visual studio code is open source. So is the new windows terminal.
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by colejohnson66 on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:29PM (#23215147)
Yes. And not the “eh” open source MS-PL, but actual MIT.
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by znpy on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:21AM (#23219768)
I was talking about "visual studio", not "visual studio code".
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by tsar9x on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:43PM (#23215283)
If visual studio code is open source, please show me code of Remote Dev extension.
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by moogly on Sunday May 17, 2020 @05:06PM (#23215494)
Goalpost moving.
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by belltaco on Sunday May 17, 2020 @08:42PM (#23216980)
Wait, what kind of logic is that?

Why does an extension need to be open source for a program to be called open source?

If someone writes a closed source plugin for LibreOffice or GIMP, does that mean they aren't open source?

Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by colejohnson66 on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:45PM (#23215301)
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by mambru on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @06:24PM (#23241008)
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by sunahe on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:49PM (#23215341)
No code there
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by bdcravens on Sunday May 17, 2020 @06:52PM (#23216270)
What (large) companies have open-sourced their core product? I don't think anyone is accusing Shopify, Facebook, Google, etc of being anti-open source.
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by 2fast4you on Sunday May 17, 2020 @09:59PM (#23217410)
Gitlab
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by tmottabr on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:44PM (#23217723)
Gitlab core offering is gitlab enterprise that is not fully open source.

They do have gitlab ce that has just a subset of the functionalities from Gitlab Enterprise that is open sourced.

Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by ahuang1018 on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:13AM (#23218950)
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by tmottabr on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @11:31PM (#23243031)
that page is PR lingo telling exactly the same thing i said..

the first line even say: in doubt use gitlab ee

the point here is that core has two distinct meaning in the op question in gitlab pr..

Gitlab ee is their core product, core here meaning their main product..

the fact that the core of that product, here meaning the base the product is built upon, was released as open source does not make the whole product open source..

So, gitlab core\main product is not open source.. But the core\base of that product is..

Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by znpy on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:20AM (#23219761)
IBM, sun microsystems.
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by traskjd on Sunday May 17, 2020 @06:26PM (#23216074)
Likewise for Google. Until that search engine is open source, it's like they've done nothing for open source. /s
Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by zrka on Sunday May 17, 2020 @06:37PM (#23216156)
Not a Googler, but an OSS dev. Google is different in that a) the Googlers inside OSS projects generally behave and are not power hungry and b) Google has started and open sourced large projects like Chromium or Go.

Microsoft tries to aggressively buy its way into existing mature projects.

Re:Microsoft admits being 'on the wrong side of history' wit... by scarface74 on Sunday May 17, 2020 @05:25PM (#23215621)
So where can I download the code for Google’s search engine? The backend code for Docs/Sheets? Google Play Services?