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Re:No One Goes There Anymore by sandworm101 on Sunday May 17, 2020 @03:31AM (#23210333)
I never said my friend had a job. Part of the problem, in the US, is the link between employment and insurance. My friend earned reasonable money as a moderately-sucessful artist but did not have an employer. In the US that would mean paying out of pocket. In canada he didn't have to pay a dime.
Re:No One Goes There Anymore by PaulAJ on Sunday May 17, 2020 @05:43AM (#23210866)
Also the self-employed in the USA have to pay over the odds for rubbish schemes. Large employers can be assumed to employ mostly healthy people, but an individual is more likely to want health insurance if they already know they are a bad risk. This "moral hazard" means that selling health insurance to the self-employed is a money-losing proposition unless you screw them at every opportunity.
Re:No One Goes There Anymore by sokoloff on Sunday May 17, 2020 @06:06AM (#23210939)
I’m no fan of health insurance as currently instantiated, but I don’t see it as screwing them at every opportunity if they are actuarially unprofitable otherwise.
Re:No One Goes There Anymore by labawi on Sunday May 17, 2020 @07:08AM (#23211170)
Depends on framing. If you divide the population by an arbitrary standard with a very high health bias (employed, in big co), and adjust payments accordingly, then those on the wrong side of your arbitrary standard get shafted.

The second group may be unprofitable with lower payments, but the insurer doesn't even want the second group, the profits are from decreased expenditures on the first group.

Re:No One Goes There Anymore by sokoloff on Sunday May 17, 2020 @07:18AM (#23211207)
Absent an individual mandate with actual teeth (or outright government providing of healthcare), do you have a solution that seems workable on a voluntary arms-length basis for all actors involved?

I’m not arguing those other conditions shouldn’t exist, but rather making the weaker, more limited argument considering “given the arrangement of the insurance market as it exists today, what should the price for that insurance offer be?” In other words, “What should a for-profit insurance company do, acting on their own and immediately?” because I think that’s pretty close to the question they’re facing when setting pricing for individual plans.

Re:No One Goes There Anymore by fhars on Sunday May 17, 2020 @06:52AM (#23211112)
Ah, yes, the good old supply and demand theory of health: if you can‘t pay for your healthcare, you obviously have no need for it, because needs are only things you are willing and able to pay for.
Re:No One Goes There Anymore by sokoloff on Sunday May 17, 2020 @07:11AM (#23211179)
It’s more like “if the cost to serve a broad population P is $X, I don’t think it’s screwing them to say ‘the price cannot be lower than $X’ because we are a health insurance company, not a charity.”

I think you’re arguing that perhaps health outcomes should not be funded by private for-profit insurance companies and I’d agree, but while it is, this outcome seems grounded in actuarially sound math.

Re:No One Goes There Anymore by lonelappde on Sunday May 17, 2020 @09:29AM (#23211836)
How is charging X more for Y's behavior not screwing X?
Re:No One Goes There Anymore by sokoloff on Sunday May 17, 2020 @12:43PM (#23213178)
I’m genuinely not understanding the X and Y category or behavior you’re contemplating here.

Is Y’s behavior being on average healthier and therefore less costly to insure?

Re:No One Goes There Anymore by perl4ever on Sunday May 17, 2020 @08:47PM (#23217011)
Well, if I was the Chinese government, it sure wouldn't make sense to me to let him adopt in either country regardless.