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Re:Show HN: A few weeks ago, I started prototyping the Circl... by harryh on Sunday March 13, 2011 @08:27PM (#2320723)
Honestly I'm skeptical. The idea of auto generating groups from pre-existing data isn't particularly new and I'm confident that with enough work it can be done reasonably well.

But once you've done that, then every time I post a status update (or tweet, or whatever you end up calling it I'll be forced to consider which circles(s) I want to share with. This significantly raises the cognitive burden of an update.

Unless you've got a really clever solution to this problem. In which case you've got something very interesting indeed and you should definitely keep going.

Re:Show HN: A few weeks ago, I started prototyping the Circl... by warfangle on Sunday March 13, 2011 @08:33PM (#2320738)
If you set up a bayesian filter to classify the status update as you type, that would be pretty rad. Then you'd just have to make sure it's classified correctly before you hit submit.

Or just have different sections/tabs for each of the detected cliques (detecting cliques is a (edit: somewhat) solved problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clique_(graph_theory) ). It'd be the onus of the user to name the cliques, with a suggested default of what others in the clique have named it.

Re:Show HN: A few weeks ago, I started prototyping the Circl... by bostonvaulter2 on Sunday March 13, 2011 @09:29PM (#2320895)
The thing I'm worried about with "public" cliques is that you need to worry about excluding people. What if someone you don't want wants to join your clique?
Re:Show HN: A few weeks ago, I started prototyping the Circl... by warfangle on Monday March 14, 2011 @01:28AM (#2321425)
I'm thinking they wouldn't be public to the world - only to those in your friends list within those cliques.

That way if someone you don't want joins your clique, it shouldn't matter - if you're not friends with them.

Cliques should, ideally, correspond to smallish social circles. Such that you can easily monitor and make sure the right people are ending up in the 'right buckets.'

For example, excluding family and co-workers, I have two primary groups of friends. Those in my neighborhood, whom I know based on locality, and those scattered around the city, whom I know (and know each other) through mutual interests. One has nine individuals (with more - about 5-10 who are acquaintances, but not truly friends), and the other has eight individuals (with more - again, about 5-10 who are acquaintances).

Maybe I'm a-social or something. But. There is no overlap between these groups. I've introduced a few in one to a few in the other, but there's no reason for them to gel. They probably aren't friends on Facebook. Using cluster analysis, you could easily partition my groups of friends & acquaintances out.

Can you give an example of what kind of situation might confuse this system? What if it took further demographics into account as vertices with directed edges (whereas friendship, in the graph, is an undirected edge), such as age group, gender, location, employer?

I would assume that status updates only travel one hop on the graph, so that even if someone becomes a part of one of these clusters, if you don't have an explicit connection to them your status updates cannot be seen by them.

You could further weight the edges by how often you communicate with each other via the service.

What would probably happen - and pure conjecture here - is that you would be exposing your status updates to either the boundary of a cluster (you are on the outside of the cluster, with a few connections in), or to most of the cluster (you are in the center of the cluster, with many connections in it). Situation one is more likely with friends (unless they are very isolated friends indeed), while situation two is more likely with family and co workers. Likely, you (and perhaps your spouse) would be the only people in your family network that have direct connections to people in, say, a drinking-buddies network. Unless members of your family are also drinking buddies.

Re:Show HN: A few weeks ago, I started prototyping the Circl... by wolfrom on Sunday March 13, 2011 @08:50PM (#2320808)
I think there are two different issues: 1) sharing sensitive information with the wrong people, and 2) sharing types of information with people who don't care to read it

I think the first issue is solved by defaulting to a smaller circle, like Path or like I would expect Google Circles to have. Most of the people I know who use Facebook intend 80-95% of their updates to the same circle of friends, and would only do a full broadcast when asking for information or promoting themselves.

For the second problem of people receiving your more mundane messages as unwanted, tools should provide more advanced relevancy or even manual filters on the receiving end.

I think anything more complex than these solutions is overkill.

Re:Show HN: A few weeks ago, I started prototyping the Circl... by ojilles on Sunday March 13, 2011 @08:42PM (#2320769)
I actually think it would lower the cognitive burden: often enough I want to share something geeky, but then need to weigh that off against the non-tech followers (= increased friction).

No idea if the whole circles concept will succeed though.