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Re:Nvidia CEO Introduces Nvidia Ampere Architecture, Nvidia ... by pjmlp on Thursday May 14, 2020 @11:03AM (#23180387)
That is what Intel tried to do with Larabee and failed spectacularly.
Re:Nvidia CEO Introduces Nvidia Ampere Architecture, Nvidia ... by fluffything on Thursday May 14, 2020 @03:40PM (#23184353)
Intel actually failed at least twice at this. More recently with Larabee and the Xeon Phi saga that got us AVX-512, and maybe Intel Xe saves it.

But in the late 80s and early 90s they actually had the i860 and its variants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_i860

which contained a graphics processor! That wasn't a particular success but it landed us the MMX ISA on x86.

Surprisingly enough, Intel went then to make similar mistakes with Itanium, and then with Larabee. But both things landed us features on x86.

Re:Nvidia CEO Introduces Nvidia Ampere Architecture, Nvidia ... by johncalvinyoung on Thursday May 14, 2020 @11:18AM (#23180560)
I wouldn't say they failed. I'd say they gave up on it before product maturity.
Re:Nvidia CEO Introduces Nvidia Ampere Architecture, Nvidia ... by ethbro on Thursday May 14, 2020 @11:46AM (#23180910)
I'd say they aimed for the wrong market (graphics processing, where they were competing against very specialized and experienced competitors) and failed to partner.

Maybe Intel ~1998 could have solo-launched a new architecture, but the only way they'd get uptake now is something in cooperation with AMD.

And maybe the AMD partnership bridge is burnt from previous shenanigans, but it seems like both AMD and Intel would have incentive in more tightly coupling graphics compatibility to CPU ISA, vs Nvidia designing their own.

That said, in that hypothetical reality, Nvidia wouldn't have been able to innovate and execute nearly as fast as they have.

As one of my Comp-E professors once quipped, "If a structural engineer ever tells you programming close to processors is easy, ask them how they'd like their job if the physical properties of lumber changed every 2 years."

Re:Nvidia CEO Introduces Nvidia Ampere Architecture, Nvidia ... by lliamander on Thursday May 14, 2020 @12:41PM (#23181762)
> I'd say they aimed for the wrong market (graphics processing, where they were competing against very specialized and experienced competitors)

Also, the game they were using to validate the performance of their hardware (Doom, I think?) ended up being so different from other software in how it used the GPU that their optimizations didn't really transfer.

Re:Nvidia CEO Introduces Nvidia Ampere Architecture, Nvidia ... by jabl on Thursday May 14, 2020 @12:08PM (#23181216)
They pivoted it to HPC (the Xeon Phi product line), produced a couple of generations of products, but that didn't really pan out either so they cancelled it.

I suppose some of the "DNA" lives on in AVX-512..