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Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by threeseed on Thursday May 14, 2020 @04:32AM (#23176979)
How about one of the most similar countries to the US ?

Australian deaths per million = 3.92

US deaths per million = 228.5

And the US number is likely to go to 500 in the next two months whilst in some Australia states it looks like COVID-19 is fully eradicated.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by pochamago on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:10AM (#23177255)
Why Australia in particular? I don't really feel like they're all that similar to the US.
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by ginko on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:23AM (#23177338)
Other than Canada I can't think of a country more similar to the US than Australia.
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by pochamago on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:32AM (#23177409)
I feel like there are a lot of pandemic relevant factors that are pretty different. 25m people vs 300m. Island nation, less international travelers, very different climate during the opposite season.
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by threeseed on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:51AM (#23177525)
a) Is Canada and Mexico affecting or is somehow responsible for the disastrous way that the US is handling COVID-19 ? Otherwise it’s a moot point.

b) Number of international travellers is irrelevant given that the policy in Australia was to quarantine ALL visitors for 14 days. Same policy that the UK has now adopted and you can’t argue that they don’t have a lot of international travellers. Again it is simply bad policy.

c) Climate is not that different to many parts of the US right now. It’s not like it’s winter versus summer. Fairly mild temperatures in both countries right now.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by dgzl on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:36AM (#23177438)
Similar in what ways? Aus is an island country whose societal composition and Constitutional rights are nothing like ours. I wouldn't say they're very similar at all.
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by rhino369 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @06:55PM (#23186607)
I'd say they are pretty similar in most respects. But geography is a big difference that is relevant to Covid-19.

Autrstial probably didn't have community spread of covid until Late Feb. But America had community spread in at least mid Jan--and probably earlier. But Australia locked down essentially when America did. If they can eradicate the disease, that's a huge win, but if they can't they are just delaying what happened in America.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by dgzl on Friday May 15, 2020 @01:06AM (#23189071)
Aus is an island. The US boarders two countries and has an illegal smuggling problem. The size-to-population isn't even remotely similar, and neither are the rights allowed to the citizens.
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by ginko on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:44AM (#23177489)
English speaking, lots of space, common law..
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by votepaunchy on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:58AM (#23177565)
Yes, but Australia has kangaroos and the Us doesn’t. What does English have to do with COVID—19?
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by ginko on Thursday May 14, 2020 @06:03AM (#23177610)
So what country do ou think is more similar culturally to the US, then?

Or is your point just that America is Special and can't be compared to anyone?

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by jwalgenbach on Thursday May 14, 2020 @09:56AM (#23179539)
Why don't you choose one that has approximately the same population and same population density -- that's why choosing an individual U.S. state might be a better choice because the U.S. is large and has a wide range of population densities.

The key point here is transmission of an infectious disease, so to get a proper comparison, you need to start with approximately the same probabilities of people infecting one another. That begins with proximity. Comparing the U.S. and Australia doesn't work because of that.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by 101404 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @07:34AM (#23178235)
Ah yes, because language is the most important reason to get an infectious disease...

Am I here on HN or in r/worldnews?

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by HideousKojima on Thursday May 14, 2020 @09:16AM (#23179087)
Maybe they think Coronavirus is caused by the vocal chord parasites from Metal Gear Solid 5
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by ginko on Thursday May 14, 2020 @08:13AM (#23178513)
I didn't talk about the probability to get COVID. Just the cultural similarities in general.
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by bz33t on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:34AM (#23177426)
Australia has its seasons shifted by half a year, so even if Australia had taken similar measures, I'd expect them to have a lot lower transmission rates because respiratory disease peak in winter. https://www.mja.com.au/sites/default/files/issues/210_10/mja...
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by threeseed on Thursday May 14, 2020 @05:53AM (#23177536)
1) No evidence that COVID-19 is affected by weather.

2) Australia and US have quite similar temperatures right now given that it’s often moderate in Autumn/Spring.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by heartbreak on Thursday May 14, 2020 @09:37AM (#23179304)
There is abundant evidence that COVID-19 is affected by weather. [0] There is no evidence that the spread of COVID-19 is halted by weather.

[0] Google Scholar search of “COVID-19 humidity”

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by dtwest on Thursday May 14, 2020 @07:31AM (#23178218)
And another similar country:

UK deaths per million = 488

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by wikibob on Thursday May 14, 2020 @04:12PM (#23184758)
This only proves the point. The UK’s response is among the worst in the developed world. Similar to the US’s response.
Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by RickJWagner on Thursday May 14, 2020 @07:54AM (#23178382)
Per today's RealClearPolitics chart:

US 260 deaths per million

UK 499

France 404

Netherlands 322

Germany (Kudos!) 94.8

The US is not doing badly at all.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by wonderwonder on Thursday May 14, 2020 @09:10AM (#23179025)
South Korea: 5.07 deaths per million Population of ~51 million First case on the same day as us. Democratic government.

This is who we should be comparing ourselves too, not just choosing some random countries that are doing worse than us.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by threeseed on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:06AM (#23179657)
Most of those countries are seeing their death rate decline. US is plateauing.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

Which means the US is on track to at minimum 500+ within the next few months making it the worst country in the world.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by MisterBastahrd on Thursday May 14, 2020 @11:05AM (#23180412)
Yes, yes it is.

Because a large number of those cases are NYC, which is already on the downside of its curve by a considerable degree, while the US as a whole is still trending upward, meaning that the country outside of NYC is doing pretty poorly.

Re:Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order t... by xienze on Thursday May 14, 2020 @08:21AM (#23178569)
> The US is not doing badly at all.

Sadly people can’t look past the big absolute number of deaths and attach proper context to it. Like deaths per million, or ignoring that ~half of cases and deaths are restricted to a single metropolitan area.