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Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by earthboundkid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:45PM (#23168792)
Fetching a weather forecast reveals that I was in a certain location. Depending on circumstances, that could easily be incriminating evidence. Yes, Dark Sky should be HTTPS by default.
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by cguess on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:48PM (#23168833)
Also could imply where you're going to. Looking up the weather in London (if I don't normally) almost certainly entails a trip.

This is pretty deep down the threat modeling hole though, and no, normal people don't need to care about this.

Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by SilasX on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:10PM (#23170550)
What, you don't bombard weather APIs with dummy requests about random cities so as to obscure where you might be going?
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by brewdad on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:27PM (#23170756)
When baseball season is actually occurring I will sometimes look up weather in a half dozen cities around the country to get an idea of which games might get rained out. Not exactly the same thing but I'm not actually traveling to any of them.
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by bowmessage on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @12:59PM (#23168968)
Normal people don't even know what HTTPS means!
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by kstrauser on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:33PM (#23169363)
That's why we like to use it everywhere: to protect the people who didn't know they needed protection.
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by bowmessage on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @08:20PM (#23173540)
Yeah, +1, what I meant to convey too :)
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by colonwqbang on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @01:40PM (#23169436)
HTTPS does not encrypt the source and dest IP of your packets, right? So HTTPS can't hide who you are and what APIs you're talking to.
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by earthboundkid on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:42PM (#23170190)
The IP of my phone connecting to the IP of Dark Sky is much less precise than the request for GPS coordinates to get block level weather data (the Dark Sky website uses 12.345 digits, so is accurate to block level).
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by Silhouette on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @03:13PM (#23170599)
This is where the arguments start to get a bit silly. If the authorities are trying hard enough to find you and your phone is on, the network it is attached to can probably locate you very accurately under most conditions already.

HTTPS is useful, and it should normally be the default for web traffic potentially crossing any untrusted network, but let's keep it in perspective. It's an application layer protocol. It can't protect you against attacks at lower layers.

Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by purerandomness on Thursday May 14, 2020 @09:31AM (#23179250)
It's not authorities, anyone setting up a router can peek into this information, and more importantly, tamper with it.

Remember Upside-Down-Ternet? [1]

[1] http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html

Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by Silhouette on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:40AM (#23180102)
Right, which is why I said HTTPS should be the default for web traffic potentially crossing any untrusted network.

But who is going to set up a hostile router in an office of five people? Or in someone's home?

Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by earthboundkid on Thursday May 14, 2020 @12:48PM (#23181874)
Google will put a router in a coffee shop and log everyone who walks by. :-)
Re:The modern HTTPS world has no place for old web servers by egyptiankarim on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @02:07PM (#23169792)
Correct. TLS-wrapped protocols don't seek to offer anonymity of the source and destination. They're designed to protect the confidentiality and integrity of data in transit. The best tools we have for anonymity are things like onion routing.