Re:Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same ...
by jeffreyrogers on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @11:48AM
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This book was really interesting, and ultimately made me decide meditation wasn't worth it for me. (I'm not saying it isn't worth it for others, just that the outcome of meditation that he describes doesn't seem like something I want).
Re:Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same ...
by SirensOfTitan on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @02:41PM
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Yeah... I find him refreshingly honest in contrast to the predominate western notion of meditation as a panacea. Few of his peers really elucidate the breadth of challenges of the dukkha nanas (the "dark night"), and none of the "apps" do (Calm, Dan Harris, Headspace).
I also really love the breadth in his analysis of awakening models. I would love to see this paradigm more often: here are the models of thought in this subject, and the pros and cons of each.
... and the "Fira Kasina" chapter was an absolute trip.
Re:Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same ...
by stutonk on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @10:00PM
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Just out of curiosity, what was the purported outcome/why wasn't it worth it?
Re:Ask HN: Mind bending books to read and never be the same ...
by jeffreyrogers on Friday May 15, 2020 @12:05PM
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Basically he describes the process as one of continually looping through various mental stages as one progresses in their meditative practice. Many of these mental stages look like psychotic episodes to me and I worry that getting into the practice would preclude me from accomplishing other things that are more important to me.
Here is a decent overview of the book that goes into more detail: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/18/book-review-mastering-...
Ingram is one of the most advanced meditation practitioners in the west, and this book is a painstaking mapping of the development of attention. I’ve read nothing like it.