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Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by Kifot on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:30AM (#23141356)
What I can't wrap my head around: how is being packed with 100s of people inside of a plane a few times a year seen as more dangerous than being even more packed with even more people in the metro every day during commute? I feel like the risk of getting infected in public transport is undermined comparing to planes/hotels/restaurants.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by delecti on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:58AM (#23141581)
I don't know about you, but on a plane I'm definitely closer to other passengers for longer periods of time than I am on most metro rides. It also exposes you to people from a geographically wider spread, and many of those people have likewise been exposed to people from even more different places earlier in their trip.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by robjan on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:45AM (#23142042)
That really depends. Many many people live in world cities where public transport is cramped and people from all over the world come and go in a constant stream.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by dredmorbius on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:46AM (#23142057)
And how do those people from all over the world get there?
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by robjan on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:57AM (#23142189)
There are many ways. Boat; train; bus and, yes, flying. International commerce will not stop forever and as long as that's true people will travel.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by dredmorbius on Wednesday May 13, 2020 @10:10AM (#23167024)
And border crossings by mode are?
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by itsspring on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:39AM (#23141423)
Not every city has a metro so this is apples vs oranges? You’re right, it’s just not clear who you’re talking to.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by Kifot on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:11AM (#23141696)
Oh that's right, what I meant is that probably a huge part of people traveling by plane comes from big cities where there is little to no way to avoid being squeezed with other people on a daily basis
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by dredmorbius on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:45AM (#23142043)
Inter-regional spread is a major factor. Subways, busses, and taxis largely move people around within an existing interchange are -- metropolitan regions. Aircraft move them across and between continents.

In 2003, James Burke revisited his 1978 series "Connections" in a 1-hour interview session, "ReConnections". Asked to describe how he would continue the original series' ending inventions forward, for the jet airplane his answer was immediate: pandemics. Beginning about 47m30s here:

https://archive.org/details/JamesBurkeReConnections_0

Critical to realise: SARS-COV-2 isn't the only, and won't be the last new, virus (or other infectious agent) out there.

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by dredmorbius on Tuesday May 12, 2020 @01:19AM (#23150794)
s/interchange are/interchange area/
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by nl on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:46AM (#23141487)
It's probably less dangerous (planes have HEPA ventilation systems, most metro systems don't).

But plane travel carries infected people long distances. There's going to be a bunch of countries insisting on 2 weeks quarantine for any new arrivals.

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by kalleboo on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:46AM (#23141491)
There are a lot of extremely common myths about how the air on airplanes is "recycled", stale, full of germs, even so far as "they lower the oxygen level to get people to sleep" and stuff like that. https://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-qualit...
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by gruez on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:48AM (#23142091)
>even so far as "they lower the oxygen level to get people to sleep"

Is that really a bad thing? My experience on long haul flights is that most people sleep. Some people even voluntarily take drugs so they fall asleep sooner/easier.

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by MattGaiser on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:41AM (#23141445)
Is anyone packing into metros anymore? I doubt this pandemic will be good for public transit.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by ghaff on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:57AM (#23141573)
When businesses and stores are even partially open in transit-centric cities, what choice do people have? Even if more walk/cycle, that can involve a lot of crowding too. There's no way that people somewhere like Manhattan can maintain separation from each other indefinitely--other than moving out of the city.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by umanwizard on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:48AM (#23141509)
They will be once things open back up.

In non-car-centric cities there simply isn’t any other realistic way to get to work.

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by dredmorbius on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:46AM (#23142062)
Bicycles, for many.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by madaxe_again on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:48AM (#23141504)
Yeah. See the pictures of the tube in London, today - people crammed in like sardines, as per usual.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by SiempreViernes on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:57AM (#23141570)
If transmission on the air plane is the risk you worry about, I agree that it doesn't appear that different compared to other risks associated with going outside.

However, travel obviously takes you to a new place, where the every day risks might be much greater or at least less well known than the ones you have to accept by virtue of just staying alive where you live.

Further, you also have the risk of being stranded due to local outbreaks closing borders at some point during your trip, making the duration of the trip itself uncertain. Not many people take lightly the risk of not knowing when they can get home from their vacation.

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by gruez on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:45AM (#23141475)
I'm wondering this too. Air on planes is recirculated every 5-10 minutes. I doubt train cars gets anywhere close to that.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by elliekelly on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:21AM (#23141780)
Genuine question: Is that better or worse? I’m assuming the air gets filtered before its recirculated but can the filtering process catch respiratory droplets?
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by gruez on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:45AM (#23142044)
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34708785/ns/travel-travel_tips/t/a...

>On most aircraft, air is also circulated through hospital-grade HEPA filters, which remove 99.97 percent of bacteria, as well as the airborne particles that viruses use for transport (many regional jets lack these filters). Additionally, cabins are divided into separate ventilation sections about every seven rows of seats, which means that you share air only with those in your immediate environment and not with the guy who’s coughing up a lung ten rows back.

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by metalliqaz on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:54AM (#23141547)
First, flying is usually an optional thing. Commuting is not.

Also, I have flown maybe 50 times in my life, but only been on a packed subway maybe once? Not the same for most people.

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by SiempreViernes on Monday May 11, 2020 @08:59AM (#23141587)
> but only been on a packed subway maybe once

Can you explain your situation? Naively that sounds like an incredible feat!

Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by Yetanfou on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:45AM (#23142050)
Why? Subways are found in larger cities, airports are everywhere. Live and work in the countryside, travel to holiday destinations and you're done. Also, just because there happens to be a subway doesn't mean you need to use it. The times I've been to Washington DC I've managed to avoid using it entirely. The place is fairly compact and lends itself to walking to where you need to go.
Re:Air travel is going to be very bad, for a very long time by ghaff on Monday May 11, 2020 @09:59AM (#23142206)
Well, sure, if you don't take subways then you're not likely to be on a crowded one.