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Re:Results: Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Help Us Build ... by luckylion on Monday May 11, 2020 @07:00AM (#23140822)
> The most persistent objections to UBI (or welfare or unemployment for that matter) is that they cause dependency and lazyiness; that they destroy the self-confidence and ambition of the receivers.

And that's not conflicting with reporting less financial stress during an intervention. The self-reported consequences from eating some candy are very different from the consequences of using candy as a primary diet for long periods of time.

Re:Results: Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Help Us Build ... by Ensorceled on Monday May 11, 2020 @07:03AM (#23140842)
There are three claims that the comment I replied to said are obvious; two claims are constantly disputed and one is regularly disputed. None are, therefore, obvious.
Re:Results: Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Help Us Build ... by luckylion on Monday May 11, 2020 @07:22AM (#23140947)
My point is that there are differences between a) what people self-report and what the outside world thinks about their situation and b) an isolated short-term experiment and a long-term domestic/global thing.

If you won $1bn in the lottery, you'd be quite rich and, in so far that money can make you happy, probably also quite happy. If literally everybody won the lottery at the same time and got $1bn, you'd be back where you were before winning the lottery, as your $1bn wouldn't have the same relative value. Sure, you have a billion, but bread now costs $100k and your rent is $100m.

Re:Results: Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Help Us Build ... by Ensorceled on Monday May 11, 2020 @07:41AM (#23141053)
Ok. But I never said any of those things were true. My only point is that the claims in the study are not obvious, I'm not claiming they are true.

I happen to believe they are but this study doesn't establish that; and we are missing a golden opportunity to do some real UBI studies with the billions in aid that are suddenly sloshing around.