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Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by searchableguy on Saturday May 09, 2020 @10:12AM (#23124836)
I honestly want to meet techbros. I live in some sort of echo chamber where gender is so irrelevant to most participants. I have never seen anyone ask someone's gender on a github issue, I may have missed it but I have seen few issues opened because no inclusivity. No one in any of the programming communities I am in gives two shit about the gender of the participants. Most people have pseudonyms with anime avatars anyway.

Incidentally the techbros you describe are majorly young cs graduates from my observation. Why are unis teaching them to be tech bros? Are unis at fault for making tech non inclusive and toxic?

Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by CJefferson on Saturday May 09, 2020 @11:49AM (#23125696)
Honestly, they aren't in github issues. They are on Twitter, they are sending people DMs, they are at physical meetups.

Me and my wife are both AI academics in the UK who do a bunch of programming. I have no "interesring stories" to tell, my wife has a dozen including men punching walls because they were beaten by a woman in a board game, being sent death threats and dick pics (not from the same person), and being assumed to be my non-tech wife when we go to events where she was invited and I was going as her partner.

Now, these events aren't daily, or even weekly, but they stick with people and make then feel unwelcome and unsafe.

Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by fastball on Saturday May 09, 2020 @07:12PM (#23129003)
> Twitter

> Toxicity

Probably you don't need to go further than that.

Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by DreamScatter on Monday May 11, 2020 @06:20AM (#23140595)
Sounds like those issues she is having is not due to her industry, but just due to some sort of other dynamics not necessarily related to the industry itself.
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Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by tomnipotent on Saturday May 09, 2020 @10:54AM (#23125157)
Journalist using the words "frat" in an article doesn't make something true. The only place I see this term slung is in the media and HN, or people making up abstract bad guys to vent their anger on.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by saagarjha on Saturday May 09, 2020 @11:57AM (#23125792)
Fraternities exist, and they have a culture associated with them. Visit any college campus (well, not right now) and you’ll find out exactly what it is.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by googlryas on Saturday May 09, 2020 @01:57PM (#23126886)
By "culture associated with them" you mean you have a stereotype of their culture you associate with them.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by saagarjha on Saturday May 09, 2020 @02:20PM (#23127129)
No, I was recently a college student who lived near frat houses. (Yes, I know there are academic fraternities: that’s not what this discussion was about.)
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by googlryas on Saturday May 09, 2020 @06:01PM (#23128640)
I was recently living next to black people, so let me tell you about how black people really are.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by tomnipotent on Sunday May 10, 2020 @11:34AM (#23133412)
Exactly. Most people use silly stereotypes from TV to paint "frat bois" in some biased lighting, never ceases to amuse me.
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Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by tomnipotent on Sunday May 10, 2020 @12:15PM (#23133737)
All you've demonstrated is general male misogyny. This is nothing new, and has as much overlap with fraternities as charities, churches, and sports.

Painting it was "frat bro" just makes for a better more exciting headline.

Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by manigandham on Saturday May 09, 2020 @03:32PM (#23127643)
The media is not "everywhere", it's the media, which currently has a massive problem with subjective narratives rather than facts.
Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by DonHopkins on Saturday May 09, 2020 @04:14PM (#23127934)
Are you actually suggesting that it follows from the media being not being "everywhere" that Frat Bros culture is a myth?

Exactly what about the Snapchat or Jared Kushner stories I cited do you believe is a hoax?

Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by manigandham on Saturday May 09, 2020 @05:02PM (#23128295)
> "culture is a myth" "believe is a hoax"

Please stop claiming things that were never said. You do this constantly in your comments and it's not fair or productive.

My point is only that the media is not the objective truth or overruling expert in any single subject, and often filled with highly-opinionated, ideological, and sometimes misleading takes.

As far as this specific issue, I disagree that it is so widespread across the industry outside of a few companies with clear problems. Also the Kushner story seems to be mocking their appearance than behaviors.

Re:James Damore and three others end Google suit by tomnipotent on Sunday May 10, 2020 @12:55PM (#23134093)
It's a media narrative constructed to sell headlines.

The exact same behavior is present in people that have zero background in frats. How do you explain that?

This is not a "frat bros" problem, it's a misogyny problem. Painting it with the words frat just helps paint whatever biased narrative is being spun to make the story more compelling.