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Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by SpicyLemonZest on Friday May 08, 2020 @06:53PM (#23120411)
I hate to reply so pithily to your well-researched comment, but your basic premise seems to be false here. California recognizes that economic restrictions are causing severe harm and began rolling them back today.
Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by chipotle_coyote on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:15PM (#23120561)
You wrote,

> California recognizes that economic restrictions are causing severe harm and began rolling them back today

But the OP wrote,

> Hopefully states like California that are following more conservative, evidence-based approaches to relaxing restrictions, will relieve some of the tension.

You are both correct: California is rolling back economic restrictions, but they are following a conservative, evidence-based approach to relaxing them. The OP's basic premise, however, is not at all false, and I sincerely hope you don't have the impression that the state is just throwing a switch and going back to "normal." It's not.

Or I should say, we're not. I don't know where you're located, but I'm in California -- the Bay Area, specifically. We don't even have official guidance on how restaurants are going to re-open yet, an the California Restaurant Association -- the business group that represents restaurants, and clearly has an economic motivation to get back to business -- has actively lobbied for the re-opening of their member businesses to happen slowly and very carefully.

I would like nothing more than to be able to start going back to my favorite restaurants and bars. But the reality is that for the last month, the daily number of new Covid-19 cases and of deaths hasn't been materially dropping in the US in the way it has in countries like the UK, Italy, and Germany, which strongly suggests that our collective behavior throughout April remained too relaxed in most states. The paradox of this pandemic is that the looser the restrictions we place on ourselves are, the more economic damage we're likely to face over the long term, not less, because we'll start cycling through repeated outbreaks, being forced to close businesses, districts, and even regions ad hoc, and running a much greater risk of overwhelming hospitals with bursts of new cases virtually all at once in stricken locales.

Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by tomp on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:34PM (#23120693)
> the more economic damage we're likely to face over the long term,

What I don’t quite understand is how people expect the economy to “just go back to normal”... like, even if you “reopen” everything, ease all restrictions, it’s not like people are goingback to living as usual.. they’re still going to keep by themselves, because that’s an individually sensible decision... are you going to attend a conference, a wedding, a dinner party / restaurant where you’ll be near 100+ people? Of course not, you’ll be making sure you stay healthy! The economic damage will happen and persist, and governments can’t just legislate against that!

Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by greedo on Friday May 08, 2020 @10:06PM (#23121564)
It's the same crowd that believes that the economy would have just been fine if we had treated this like we do the flu; ignoring that 2M dead Americans has a funny effect on the economy.
Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by lurquer on Friday May 08, 2020 @08:49PM (#23121144)
>are you going to attend a conference, a wedding, a dinner party / restaurant where you’ll be near 100+ people?

Yes, yes, and yes.

As will you.

Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by rumanator on Saturday May 09, 2020 @07:21AM (#23123790)
It saddens me that those who for some reasoning fall prey for this line of reasoning don't just hurt themselves in the process, and actively contribute to spread and worsen all problems to everyone they ever contact with.
Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by SpicyLemonZest on Friday May 08, 2020 @08:08PM (#23120889)
We might be on the same page here, then. I agree it would be dumb to just immediately reopen all businesses with no thought about how to mitigate risks or delay the least safe ones. But I see a lot of people propose that relaxing restrictions doesn't matter, that it's just not an important priority relative to the virus, and that goes too far.
Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by dougmany on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:25PM (#23120638)
And that is the nature of the problem. It is far easier to throw out a random anecdote then to prove or disprove it.

  I remember hearing a story of a solder that sent a single bullet into a pole mounted transformer.  The oil leaked out, it over heated and exploded.  Power went out to the block, maybe taking connected devices with it.    
A two second act that cost less than a dollar, destroyed something that was orders of magnitude more expensive and took orders of magnitude more time to put in place.
Re:U.S. field hospitals stand down, most without treating an... by cozzyd on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:15PM (#23120559)
The key is when California first acted, I think, rather then when it started rolling back.