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Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by otterley on Thursday March 10, 2011 @07:00PM (#2311366)
What part of "XCode 3 is still free" do you not understand?
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by zenocon on Thursday March 10, 2011 @07:20PM (#2311448)
Honestly, every time I see one of these articles with even a hint at criticism towards Apple, I cringe slightly before I click the comments link...because I know what's coming next. Not that you care, but I'm also tired of Apple hi-jinks, T's & C's, and just general unfriendliness toward devs and I'll stick with Win7/Ubuntu from now on.
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by dizm on Thursday March 10, 2011 @09:45PM (#2311920)
Right, because Windows comes with gcc?
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by otterley on Thursday March 10, 2011 @10:28PM (#2312004)
Last I checked, Visual Studio was WAY more expensive than $5.
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by zenocon on Friday March 11, 2011 @12:05AM (#2312204)
VS 2010 is free if you sign up for their webspark program http://microsoft.com/web/websitespark/ -- so is MS Windows Server 2008, SQL Server, etc. Look, I'm no MS proponent. I'm an independent developer and I use all platforms, all tools, all languages. If you fellas watch the news, this URL is kinda like the Fox News of Apple fan-boi-ism. Fair & Balanced...it is not...tiresome...bah, let the downvotes begin.
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by otterley on Friday March 11, 2011 @02:06AM (#2312467)
Check the fine print (http://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark/support.aspx?tab=P...): It's only free for 3 developers per company. Arguably enough for personal use, but won't cover many organizations.
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by marshray on Friday March 11, 2011 @12:17AM (#2312233)
You can download application and device driver SDKs which come with command line C++ compilers at no charge. Pretty much the same compilers MS uses to build the OS itself and its own products.

There's also a no charge "express edition" of the IDE, but it was heavily crippled last time I checked.

Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by rimantas on Friday March 11, 2011 @01:00AM (#2312330)
Perl, Python, Ruby, rails…
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by holman on Thursday March 10, 2011 @07:10PM (#2311407)
I was more reacting to the common argument that "$5 is not expensive". My apologies if that's not what they were addressing in this comment.

That said, Xcode 3 doesn't satisfy the requirement of being easy or quick to install for a casual user.

Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by matt2224 on Thursday March 10, 2011 @08:41PM (#2311746)
What's this rubbish about Xcode 3 being hard to install? It's on your OS X CD. From there on, it's just a one-click install process. Even if you downloaded it, the process is the same. If a developer can't be bothered to do that, then they probably dont give a damn in the first place.

Casual users =/= developers

Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by dekz on Thursday March 10, 2011 @07:49PM (#2311567)
What isn't easy about installing from the disc given when you bought the mac? Don't have a your mac discs anymore? Download it or borrow someone elses. If you don't want the extra crud of iOS firmwares, disable it. To be honest it's quite "easy" to install for any user.

Quick on the other hand, how many 4.5gb installations are quick?

Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by cytzol on Thursday March 10, 2011 @08:00PM (#2311617)
FWIW, it doesn't come with the new Air models.
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by jfelchner on Saturday March 12, 2011 @10:32AM (#2316880)
I think the point wasn't that a 4.5gb installation should be quick. It was that it shouldn't require a 4.5gb installation if all you want is gcc. More like a 50MB installation.
Re:OS X Isn't for Developers by bradleyland on Thursday March 10, 2011 @10:57PM (#2312066)
What it comes down to is a question of principle. The argument that development tools should be free and readily available is a principle of software freedom.

I don't want to paint this as black & white, because things rarely are, but on the continuum of free (as in freedom) vs non-free, you'd have to live in a cave on the moon to still cling to the idea that Apple is anywhere near the free side of the scale.

You, as a developer, have to make a decision about how you will support your principles. Apple has certainly made theirs. They view their entire platform as theirs to do with as they wish. That is the anti-thesis of freedom. Do not expect this to change.