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Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by munificent on Thursday May 07, 2020 @07:08PM (#23109442)
> why not look at the problem the other way around?

Because no one ever buys or hires a conscience. If you thought a conscience was worth having one, that implies you would already have one and thus wouldn't need to outsource it in the first place.

Ethics always rolls downhill. If Al Capone goes out and hires Mr. Rogers, the power imbalance between them means Mr. Rogers is going to get dirtier than Capone will get clean.

Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by damanamathos on Thursday May 07, 2020 @09:19PM (#23110383)
Why not look at their recent actions instead?

On April 1 the CEO basically said they messed up and would pause all feature development and focus exclusively on security & privacy for 90 days.[1] They've also done weekly video AMAs that are summarised on their blog under the 90-Day Security Plan posts.[2]

They've made a lot of progress.

The Keybase acquisition is absolutely about helping to build a security team that can help them implement end-to-end encryption across 1000 person meetings. You can see that from this Twitter post[3] from Alex Stamos and this interview[4] with him.

[1] https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/2020/04/01/a-message-to-our-u... [2] https://blog.zoom.us/wordpress/category/announcements/ [3] https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1258405729720918016 [4] https://cheddar.com/media/zoom-acquires-keybase-beefs-up-sec...

Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by jorangreef on Friday May 08, 2020 @01:51AM (#23111788)
Thanks for this!

Besides upvotes, HN should have a hall of fame for comments this good.

It reminds me of 1 Corinthians 15:33 quoting the Greek poet Menander:

  Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”
Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by mulmen on Friday May 08, 2020 @02:57AM (#23112113)
Click the timestamp, you can favorite a comment from there. It will show up on your profile under favorites -> comments.
Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by jorangreef on Sunday May 10, 2020 @10:33AM (#23132887)
Thanks!
Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by spurgu on Friday May 08, 2020 @04:20AM (#23112583)
How does good character develop in the first place then..?
Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by Communitivity on Friday May 08, 2020 @07:24AM (#23113545)
I always try to work with people smarter than me, more ethical than me, and more productive. When we associate with people we want to fit in with, we adapt to be more like them. We can adapt in bad ways, but we can also adapt in good ways.

Essentially, on some level we never stop the role-model based adaptation we did as children, when we modeled our behavior on what our parent(s) did.

Re:Zoom Acquires Keybase by sethherr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @08:45PM (#23110151)
Well put! But it depends on how you approach the issue.

If having a conscience means prioritizing security above all else, then Keybase is doomed.

But security isn’t the only thing that matters. Zoom seems to have focused on making a very user friendly product. Keybase focused on making security more user friendly. In many ways, the user focus of both apps is their Prime selling point.

Perhaps they weren’t buying a conscience, they were fixing a blind spot.