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Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by sandworm101 on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:29PM (#23105618)
>> Every city does need more condos in their existing neighborhoods if populations are able to grow.

Except that is in cities like Toronto/Vancouver more condos doesn't mean more people living in those condos. These are investment vehicles. Many of these new condo biuldings in trendy neighbourhoods sit empty, having been purchased as an investment rather than as a living space. What is needed is more rental units, not more places for rich people to park money.

Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by ehsankia on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:02PM (#23106018)
Just tax empty places, isn't that what Vancouver does? Leaving a place empty/inhabited should be very expensive.
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by sandworm101 on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:42PM (#23106567)
>> Leaving a place empty/inhabited should be very expensive.

Vancouver is finding that difficult to enforce. How do you tell if a unit is "occupied" or not? At the moment it is largely voluntary. The city cannot tell whether someone is living in a unit or it living overseas ten months out of the year. They aren't going to be sending inspectors to knock on doors.

I'm a good example of the difficulties. I was away on training (military) for six months. My apparment sat empty. Should I have been paying the tax? How would the government detect that I wasn't there?... Short of me or my landlord admitting to it and then paying the tax.

Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by CaptainZapp on Friday May 08, 2020 @03:11AM (#23112182)
> They aren't going to be sending inspectors to knock on doors.

Well, why not? Arguably they would pay for themselves in a short time if implemented correctly.

Combine that with criminal tax fraud charges for cheats.

Oh, They can't really get hold of Vlad Q Oligarch because he's sailing his 100M yacht somewhere in the carribeans?

Expropriate the property.

Drastic? Maybe. I don't think unreasonable, however, for people gaming the system and cheating on their tax obligations.

Edited to add: Of course there should be exceptions for inhabitants with a good reason not to live in their home for a certain amount of time. I.e military, guest professorships, etc

Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by true_religion on Thursday May 07, 2020 @03:30PM (#23107174)
There would probably be an exception for people in the military or government service. If on the other hand you spent 6 months in the US working for a private business like Google, then it would be fair to tax you.
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by sandworm101 on Thursday May 07, 2020 @04:16PM (#23107729)
Setting aside fairness, how would the government work out whether I am gone or not? Lots of people go away for several months. Policing the system becomes impossible, which is why I described vancouver's system as voluntary.
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by asdff on Thursday May 07, 2020 @06:32PM (#23109136)
Say you own three properties in Vancouver, best case you can only occupy one at a time since you are not a quantum entity from another dimension. The city could ask for proof of a tenant renting the unit, and if you fail to prove it, you then need to pay empty unit tax on 2/3 of your properties.

Someone being gone for a stint and leaving a single apartment unoccupied for a while might not be a big issue in the grand scheme of things, if most of the problem is from people who can afford several properties. If the city wanted to go after these sort of units, maybe they could pull utility data and see a drop off in use. I'm no plumber, but with Vancouver winters, maybe you do want to have your water service shut off if you will be gone long term? No one likes coming home to a house completely encased in ice inside and out.

Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by ehsankia on Thursday May 07, 2020 @05:42PM (#23108697)
Maybe you can have one residence which is excluded, but for people who own dozens of condos, anything past the first one can be checked more thoroughly?
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by cycrutchfield on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:17PM (#23106239)
There's already property tax
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by ehsankia on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:34PM (#23106446)
That's different from the Empty Home Tax: https://vancouver.ca/your-government/vacancy-tax-bylaw.aspx
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by cycrutchfield on Friday May 08, 2020 @10:50PM (#23121786)
Right. The point is that empty homes already pay in to the system. Taxing property owners for how they choose to use or not use their property is silly.
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by tempestn on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:56PM (#23105947)
If you keep building them, they will become more available. You're increasing supply, without affecting demand (from potential investors or residents).
Re:Google ends plans for smart city in Toronto by ahsima1 on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:18PM (#23106247)
And increasing supply is a great way to make them bad investment vehicles