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Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by atlasunshrugged on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @03:40PM (#23095390)
Why do you say that?
Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by edgefield0 on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @03:41PM (#23095399)
Herd immunity? Assuming such a thing can exist for Covid and it doesn't mutate every season like influenza.
Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by BeefySwain on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @03:44PM (#23095432)
Do we know it won't mutate? I was under the impression this was unknowable at this point.
Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by kube-system on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @03:54PM (#23095545)
There are already several mutations in circulation, so we know it does mutate. The questions remaining are:

* how much does it mutate?

* does exposure to one mutation lend immunity to another mutation?

* does exposure to one mutation lend immunity to the same mutation?

Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by Endlessly on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @03:51PM (#23095517)
Herd immunity is commonly not well understood in my opinion by the general public. All it means is the point where the spread is no longer “viral” — as in for ever person that’s infected, that person infects less than 1.0 people. People still get infected, die, etc.

Higher the true R0 value for the virus, higher the threshold for reaching herd immunity and the eventual point the infection rate reaching 0.0; globally, without a vaccine, very possible corona will continue to exist years, if not longer.

Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by kube-system on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @04:14PM (#23095750)
> People still get infected, die, etc.

Yes, but fewer of them, which is the point.

Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by ApolloFortyNine on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @03:42PM (#23095415)
We've already proven you can go from one case to worldwide pandemic in 3 months. So all it takes is one case somewhere in the World, and you'll never be able to reopen borders.

Now if a fully functional vaccine is developed, that'll of course change things. But there's no guarantee one is possible, so only time will tell.

Re:New Zealand PM: No open borders for 'a long time' by kube-system on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @03:59PM (#23095601)
One known case. There is definitely some time between when it first infects a human and the point at which time humans notice it... especially when:

* most cases are asymptomatic

* most people with respiratory infections (outside of a known pandemic) are never tested for anything

* most people who are tested for infections are tested with standard panels, not studied for novel viruses