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Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by benrbray on Monday May 04, 2020 @01:13AM (#23064779)
I've had the same thought and it sickens me that we've come to this point.

As someone who has made the transition from teenager to young adult during the Trump era, I feel like I've lost a game I never even had the chance to play. We have clearly gone so far off course but very few seem interested in steering us back to reality (between the impeachment "trial", the primaries, and our handling of COVID-19).

After four years of the disaster that is the Trump administration, any establishment Democrats like Biden elected to office will be praised no matter what they do, simply by virtue of not being Trump. But that's not real progress. They'll continue to neglect wealth inequality / infrastructure / privacy / technology issues.

And Trump isn't the problem, he's just a convenient distraction from the fact that big money controls both parties. It's just that establishment Democrats more or less want to maintain the status quo, while conservatives are using Trump to brazenly roll back regulations.

Four years from now, we'll have even more damning evidence about the true long-term economic/social/environmental damage done during his term (as if it weren't clear enough). If he's not in office long enough, this will all be blamed on the next president, adding more fuel to the fire for a likely 2024 run.

Or worse: Someone more cunning but just as evil comes along, charming voters while more adeptly covering up their true intentions.

Our only hope this that enough voters get really pissed off enough to vote in every local, state, and federal election consistently enough for the next couple decades so that we can start to heal.

Biden's not going to inspire that. Bernie, maybe, had the chance to. Trump will do it. And if we can't survive another four years of Trump, we don't deserve to.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by JSavageOne on Monday May 04, 2020 @01:40AM (#23064909)
I agree, but at least it seems like we're incrementally moving in the right direction, even if at a glacial pace. The fact that a 27-year old AOC was elected shows that people are fed up with establishment politicians and change is possible (prior to being elected she was a bartender with no money or connections, who ran on a grassroots campaign of being fed up with politicians taking corporate money and serving corporate interests over their citizens, and beat a Democrat who'd been in power for ~15 years).

Once the older generation dies out and the younger generation takes over, we'll start to see some real progress. Imagine where we could be if more of our politicians resembled people like Andrew Yang - young normal uncorrupted people who grew up in the internet generation. The problem is that most of our politicians are too old (average Senator is 61 years old) and are completely removed from the real issues facing Americans.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by kelnos on Monday May 04, 2020 @06:06AM (#23066261)
The problem is that when the older generation dies out, the younger generation is no longer young, and their attitudes have changed. Not quite to the same exact conservative/anti-progressive place that their parents and grandparents occupied, but definitely more conservative than they were when they were younger.

We'll see progress, to be sure (and that's good!), but it won't be as dramatic as you think. It'll likely be similar to the last several generations of progress.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by JSavageOne on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @03:56AM (#23077576)
That's true to an extent, but I think this time is different because the millenials have had to endure so much obvious hardships as a direct result of the baby boomers' incompetence (eg. student debt), and because millennials grew up with the internet and all the information that gives one access to. Politicians like Bernie and AOC are more in line with how millennial stand (my Boomer dad doesn't understand what they're so angry about), and if those policies were implemented, that'd be a massively different society than today.
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by zimpenfish on Monday May 04, 2020 @05:38AM (#23066078)
> Bernie, maybe, had the chance to.

Bernie didn't even inspire people to vote for him in the primary; how was he going to inspire people if he got nominated?

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by mercer on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @11:37AM (#23081172)
Bernie had the main-stream media + the entire DNC apparatus against him. That's a ton of power and influence.

I'm not saying he would've 'won'; it's quite possible he positioned himself as too much 'non-establishment', or perhaps too little. but saying he didn't inspire people to vote for him in the primary is not evident, IMO.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by zimpenfish on Tuesday May 05, 2020 @10:29PM (#23087399)
> saying he didn't inspire people to vote for him in the primary is not evident, IMO.

The fact he didn't win is evidence of that, surely?

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by mercer on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @01:18AM (#23088100)
It's evidence, but it's not evident. Those are not the same thing.
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by benrbray on Monday May 04, 2020 @11:55AM (#23069525)
Hence the "maybe". He clearly missed his chance.
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by taylorhou on Monday May 04, 2020 @05:25AM (#23065987)
I feel like there are many more folks that would vote for Trump in spite of Biden "winning" the Democratic nod. 1000% agree that the next president is going to be left holding the bag of sht and get blamed for everything so might as well let it be Trump.
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by jacobush on Monday May 04, 2020 @05:56AM (#23066206)
Trump seems immune to blaming. To his fans, everything bad is because of unpatriotic traitors.