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Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by JSavageOne on Monday May 04, 2020 @12:39AM (#23064616)
The problem is largely the democratic system itself. The average U.S. Senator spends 2/3 of their time fundraising during the last 2 years of their term. Half of Congress are millionaires, their salaries are in the 95th percentile ($174k/yr), and they receive world-class healthcare. The electoral college means Trump and Bush get elected despite losing the popular vote. We're limited to a two-party system because third-party votes count for nothing, limiting the spectrum of ideas. American satisfaction with their own government is ~34%.

What pisses me off more the problems themselves in our society (terrible healthcare system that ties healthcare to employment, outrageous university tuition + student debt crisis, homeless crisis) is the fact that we all know and agree these are problems, have known for decades, yet do nothing about it. 9 of the 10 warmest years in history have occurred since 2005, yet we do little to nothing about climate change. Epidemiologists and public health experts saw the coronavirus pandemic coming in January, yet it takes the crisis actually hitting us to start acting. We get some fiscal stimulus, but the people get relative scraps while most of it goes to wealthy corporations. I still don't even know if I qualify for the COVID checks because the government website tells me "Payment Status Not Available".

For example take tax filing. In most countries, filing taxes is effortless and takes about 2 seconds - log into a government website, verify that the information the government already has on you is correct, and submit. But in the U.S., citizens are forced to waste time manually filling out all these tax forms and pay private companies money (eg. TurboTax, now there is e-filing, but ). It doesn't matter if you're Democrat, Republican, or a member of the Nazi Party, we can all agree that making tax filing take as little time and effort as possible is superior to having to take more time and effort. Yet in 2020 I still have to pay TurboTax to help file my taxes because the U.S. government is too incompetent to make it as easy as countries like Sweden, South Korea, etc.

We can definitely improve things significantly by electing better politicians, but that can only go so far within the confines of our current money-driven two-party system. We need a system that more accurately reflects the will of the people. Rank-based voting would enable third parties, liquid democracy would enable citizens to vote directly on issues without having to be beholden to elected officials. Experts should be in charge of their domains of expertise, specially when it comes to science (eg. public health experts in charge of public health policy). Politicians can decide what gets taxed, who gets the money, and vote on laws, but beyond that we need competent people managing what they're competent at, and a system that's proactive rather than reactive.

Too bad it's taboo to even suggest that a system of government devised over 200 years ago when people were riding around on horses may not be the most efficient in the 21st century.

EDIT: Rather than simply downvoting because you disagree (which is not what the downvote tool is designed for by the way), how about taking a second to explain what you disagree with?

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by nickff on Monday May 04, 2020 @12:52AM (#23064681)
Many people dislike the 'easy verify and submit' system of taxes, because they think it basically hides taxes from the public. There are similar objections to employer deduction of taxes. Additionally, the current system of many different taxes on different things makes it very hard for a voter to understand what their total tax burden is (especially if there are VATs which are included in prices). For these reasons, many think 'simplified' taxes are anti-democratic.

As an example; more voters know how much they spend on Netflix or Amazon Prime than how much they spend on government, meaning they are better equipped to hold streaming services accountable than their government, even though the latter costs them (at least) hundreds of times more.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by piva00 on Monday May 04, 2020 @04:44AM (#23065786)
How can "easy verify and submit" hide taxes from the public?

Here in Sweden I receive my tax form pre-filled in a digital mailbox (basically a PDF of the tax form I'd get through snail mail on a website), I can see on the first page the total amount of tax paid, how much I owe or will receive as tax return and then another section with more details about interest I've paid, how much of that was deducted from my taxes, etc.

In about 5 minutes I have an overview of all the taxes paid from my income, how much went to the national, kommun/local government and I'm done.

I don't follow what is the argument about how making this process simple is considered anti-democratic.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by T-A on Monday May 04, 2020 @08:08AM (#23066987)
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by ashtonkem on Monday May 04, 2020 @09:16AM (#23067642)
While the discussion of direct vs indirect taxes is interesting, the article just flatly asserts that Swedes are unaware of their tax burden without a shred of proof. That’s not convincing.
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by T-A on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @06:40AM (#23089513)
> the article just flatly asserts that Swedes are unaware of their tax burden without a shred of proof

The article actually quotes and links surveys proving the point.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by JSavageOne on Monday May 04, 2020 @01:03AM (#23064734)
> because they think it basically hides taxes from the public

Well that's factually false because taxpayers can see all the information and verify it for themselves (that's what they're supposed to do before they verify it). Who exactly is arguing that making tax filing easier is "anti-democratic"? A couple American tax extremists? The Intuit lobby?

If the U.S. can't even make something as simple as tax filing easier, then the U.S. is hopeless when it comes to bigger issues. We're already the only country without universal healthcare and where an undergraduate degree at a public school costs six figures. How can we fix those bigger and more "complex" problems if we can't even fix something as dead simple and bipartisan as tax filing?

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by celticninja on Monday May 04, 2020 @05:32AM (#23066038)
"many people dislike"... Could you find even a sizeable proportion of the population that felt this way? as with the re-open states protests these things are easily gamed by interested parties and it takes a vocal minority, which is amplified by media voices, such as Fox news, where it aligns with their owners beliefs to make it seem more of an issue than it is.

having taxes included in the price when I buy something at a store makes lige easier for consumers. I dont need to know everytime I pay some tax exactly how much has been paid.

I honestly read your comments as a sort of astroturfing with your use of 'many' as if to mean a significant number of people, rather than the reality, which is 'some people', indicating a whole lot less people but more than 1.

you are being worked over by special interest groups who are being led on by some rich people who have their opinions and are forcing every one to live by them.

TurboTax lobby officially to make tax filing difficult in the US, they will also spend money under the radar to give voice to the 'individual' who is anti tax because it benefits Turbo Tax not because they align with the individual, but because it helps their bottom line.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by kelnos on Monday May 04, 2020 @06:11AM (#23066283)
I get what you're saying, but you're essentially doing the same thing as the person you're replying to: you're asserting, without evidence, that, if there's some group of people who want taxes to be more in-your-face, then it must be a small, vocal minority. I agree that the parent should provide sources to back up their claim, but you must do the same if you want to be taken seriously.
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by celticninja on Monday May 04, 2020 @09:14AM (#23067627)
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by dboreham on Monday May 04, 2020 @01:29AM (#23064852)
Someone doth protest too much.
Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by mrexroad on Monday May 04, 2020 @01:36AM (#23064882)
> Yet in 2020 I still have to pay TurboTax to help file my taxes because the U.S. government is too incompetent to make it as easy

Normally I’m all about Hanlon’s razor (assume stupidity before malice), but given the absurd amount TurboTax spends lobbying against any meaningful simplification you can’t fully pin place this on gov’t incompetence.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by JSavageOne on Monday May 04, 2020 @01:59AM (#23064986)
Lobbying definitely plays a huge role in this, and the system there needs to change as well.

But ultimately TurboTax doesn't vote on laws, politicians do. By blaming TurboTax, you're alleviating politicians of their personal responsibility.

Re:US unprepared for an electrical grid collapse, but it cos... by majewsky on Monday May 04, 2020 @08:05AM (#23066965)
I don't think GP was blaming TurboTax. They were arguing for blaming this on government malice instead of government incompetence (i.e. the reverse of Hanlon's Razor).