Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by tannhaeuser on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:44PM (#23054351)

+1 Insightful.

> GNOME Calculator was put on the ISO as a snap to help us test the whole “seeding snaps” process, not because it was a fast-moving, CVE-prone applications. Chromium, Firefox and LibreOffice fall more into that category.

Ok so the whole snap thing comes down to updating browsers. Is this for real? I want the web, not the browser to change daily, or to consume more bandwidth than my www usage :)

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by lucb1e on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:58PM (#23054849)

The browser is actually the number one component you should update as soon as a security fix comes out. If you don't want new features ("more free stuff!"), use an LTS version that only includes the security updates?

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by pdonis on Saturday May 02, 2020 @11:32PM (#23056677)

> The browser is actually the number one component you should update as soon as a security fix comes out.

The problem is that there is no way to have a browser that only pushes updates for security fixes. They're always mixed in with changes to the UI that force people to re-learn workflows.

> If you don't want new features ("more free stuff!"), use an LTS version that only includes the security updates?

There is no such thing. I run Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on all my computers at home and I'm posting this on, IIRC, the fifth or sixth new version of Firefox I've had to accept (and that's only counting major version changes), because, as noted above, there was no way to just get the security updates and leave out the others.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by gruez on Sunday May 03, 2020 @12:37AM (#23056893)

>The problem is that there is no way to have a browser that only pushes updates for security fixes

Yes there is, it's called firefox esr.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by pdonis on Sunday May 03, 2020 @02:18AM (#23057238)

Interesting, I'll take a look.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by Macha on Saturday May 02, 2020 @07:57PM (#23055841)

You can note the version everyone is complaining about here _is_ the LTS.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by lucb1e on Sunday May 03, 2020 @07:22AM (#23058349)

You mean the Ubuntu LTS, I meant a browser's LTS version (a sibling comment just mentioned it's called ESR in Firefox instead of LTS... I meant the concept, not the specific name for Firefox, but my bad) so that you don't keep getting browser feature updates but only get the backported fixes.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by Izkata on Saturday May 02, 2020 @05:17PM (#23054995)

That... doesn't make sense. Chrome and Firefox (and possibly Chromium, I'm uncertain there) already can update out-of-band of apt/etc.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by eloisant on Saturday May 02, 2020 @05:46PM (#23055185)

The idea is that the vendor can take care of the updates without having to go through all the package management system of all distributions

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by curt15 on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:14PM (#23055318)

When you install Google Chrome for a deb, it's already set to update through Google's own apt repository. Presumably Firefox could do the same.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by Izkata on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:26PM (#23055390)

> Presumably Firefox could do the same.

At least when I encountered it a few years ago, if you go to Help -> About Firefox in the menu, it'll check for updates in the background, download the most recent version, and upgrade itself the next time you restarted the browser.

And yes, this was on Ubuntu.

So the capability is there, even if it's not on generally.

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Re:Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it by skykooler on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:24PM (#23055961)

Which is really frustrating as a user; I don't want to wait 5 seconds for a calculator to launch; it's a simple app, it should launch instantly, like it does on any other Linux distro.

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