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Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by tssva on Friday May 01, 2020 @10:13PM (#23048511)
If the issue is a single module take over of userspace then I have good news for you. The systemd project is made up of multiple modules handling differing tasks not all of which you have to use.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by JdeBP on Sunday May 03, 2020 @02:53AM (#23057364)
Every time that this argument comes up, people don't get their computer science right. The problem is not whether something has modules. It is the degree of coupling amongst and cohesion within said modules that is the metric.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19132437

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19028053

Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by tssva on Sunday May 03, 2020 @09:00AM (#23058721)
There is significant variety between distributions regarding which systemd project modules are used by default. Many distributions also allow systemd modules used by default to be easily replaced with non-systemd alternatives. This speaks to the level of coupling and cohesion between systemd modules being low enough that they don't form a monolith.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by JdeBP on Wednesday May 06, 2020 @12:32AM (#23087916)
Waving around the terms without understanding them, as you are doing, demonstrates exactly what I mentioned. Someone who actually knew the computer science would not be talking of low cohesion here, or of modules forming a monolith.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by dogecoinbase on Friday May 01, 2020 @10:20PM (#23048542)
Modules which only work with their own other modules and fail to work with other people's modules aren't modules, they're a monolith.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by the_why_of_y on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:13AM (#23050250)
Would you say Postfix is a monolith? Or qmail?
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by f1refly on Saturday May 02, 2020 @09:36AM (#23051696)
yes and yes. Fairly small ones, but monoliths nonetheless.
Re:Operating Systems Without Systemd by hinkley on Friday May 01, 2020 @11:04PM (#23048782)
with accessories.