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Re:Death of the Office by munificent on Friday May 01, 2020 @12:56PM (#23044052)
I don't like that most of these articles present a binary choice: always work from home or always work from the office.

I've learned two things in the past couple of months:

* I really enjoy being at home when doing task work. I can play music without headphones. I can tweak my surroundings to be just the way I like them. I can meander down and see the wife and kids for lunch. Talk a walk around my neighborhood. (I would be able to run an errand or to, normally, but...)

* I hate being at home when doing design or collaborative work. Videoconferencing is better than nothing, but the latency makes me want to claw my eyes out. And I just deeply miss the conviviality and warmth of sharing a physical space with my team.

But I don't need either the former or the latter every day. What I'd really like is a team that worked together a couple of days a week, and from home a couple of days.

Re:Death of the Office by cactus2093 on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:11PM (#23044235)
The obvious problem is this is the most expensive of all solutions. You still need an office space for everyone (you can't really get a smaller office and stagger days that people go in, because the whole point is camaraderie and collaboration. Maybe you could do this across organizations? Sales mon/wed, product and engineering tues/thurs).

Plus everyone needs to still live within commuting distance to the office, and also have a productive work space at home, which is a huge luxury in a place like SF to have an extra room for an office.

Re:Death of the Office by proverbialbunny on Friday May 01, 2020 @02:33PM (#23045105)
Actually! I worked a job where the desks were shared by two teams. We'd push our keyboard and mice behind the monitor at the end of the day. Each team was in two days a week, interleaved, and both teams were remote Friday. This way we were all remote 3 days a week, but if for any reason cross team pairing needed to happen (it never happened) there was always Friday.

This cut office costs in half and increased productivity. It was quite good.

Speaking of remote, I've worked two jobs which were semi full remote, where we'd come in if we wanted to collaborate, on average 2 days a month. Both scenarios would save the company money on office costs.

One company, we had a full dedicated office, where we'd find a space we wanted to work in. It was normally abandoned there, except the CEO, SFO, and CTO was often there every day. We'd find an empty office room and close the door having privacy. It was quite nice. The advantage of this was our office space was tiny, compared to how many people we employed. Likewise, when we wanted to come to the office the environment was always fantastic.

Another company I worked at used those shared office spaces with a pay as you go plan. Eg, if you reserve a meeting room, they charge the company for it. We'd go there and find some desks we'd like and go at it, or reserve a meeting room if we wanted. The company would pay for it, so I'm not sure the price, but the environment was good with a café and great outdoor collab spaces. I'm sure it saved the company a lot of money.

So yah, partial remote and full remote do save companies money. They increase productivity and reduce office space costs. However, both of these are quite different than shelter in place, where those who would benefit from coming into the office can't. Shelter in place is less productive and far more frustrating than proper remote.

Re:Death of the Office by munificent on Monday May 04, 2020 @04:17PM (#23072768)
> The obvious problem is this is the most expensive of all solutions.

Is that actually true? The company isn't paying people to maintain their home offices. Any day where everyone works from home is a day where they don't need to have cleaning staff, food services, etc. come in. It may seem inefficient to have the building sitting there empty, but relative to having people there (and not relative to having no building at all), it's probably a net win.

Think about how many restaurants in prime real estate locations are closed for breakfast or on Mondays.

Re:Death of the Office by ReactiveJelly on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:17PM (#23044302)
What if I invited my coworkers to hang out at my home office?
Re:Death of the Office by munificent on Monday May 04, 2020 @04:14PM (#23072733)
I'm actually considering doing exactly this. Before too long, I'll be at a point where I really need to collaborate with one member of my team and I can't imagine doing it over VC. We usually spend an hour or two at a whiteboard sketching things out.

It might be easiest to simply take turns driving to each other's house.

Re:Death of the Office by mlthoughts2018 on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:39PM (#23044552)
Aside from workday access to family, I think you’re just describing regular dedicated private offices per each individual knowledge worker, which superior on all fronts except commute time (yes, superior even on a real estate cost basis).

Private offices for all allow social distancing at the office if needed, ability to tweak your surroundings to suit your needs when doing task work, and easy access to share physical space with a team when needed.

I worry we are losing sight of how disastrous co-working spaces and all open-plan designs are.

Fully remote is better than open plan or coworking for sure, but none of these options come close to just coming to our senses and bringing back private offices with doors for individuals.

Re:Death of the Office by lizknope on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:56PM (#23044711)
I had an office with a door for 14 years. I've been in a cubicle again for the last year until 2 months ago when I've been working at home.

I was so much more productive in an office with a door. I could close it for silence, I could close it when on conference calls. I wouldn't be disturbed and I wouldn't disturb anybody else.

If my company let me reduce my salary by $2,000 a year and gave me an office with a door I would do it immediately.

Re:Death of the Office by mlthoughts2018 on Friday May 01, 2020 @03:41PM (#23045750)
It’s easily worth $10,000 less salary per year for me.
Re:Death of the Office by ericwood on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:54PM (#23044697)
Last summer I started working at a place that does this, and it's been great, for the reasons you mentioned! We have tuesdays and thursdays set up as remote days, with meetings highly discouraged. Half my team has a decent commute, and only come in on monday and friday.

What I like about it: I get a lot of control over where and when collaboration vs. heads down work happens. I know I'll have the space to go heads down for as long as I want tuesday/thursday, and that I'll see my full team at least twice a week, so we tend to plan around that. I can also plan personal activities, appointments, etc. on the days I'm working from home, knowing I don't have meetings or a commute.

I didn't realize how important that face-time was until we lost it at the start of the pandemic. While all of our processes and day-to-day translated to full remote with little to no changes, without the re-centering and catching up and personal side of things we got monday/friday people were more on edge and collaboration/unity suffered. It's been a tricky thing to recoup, but we're finding doing more casual video calls here and there is helping.

Re:Death of the Office by jkhaui on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:17AM (#23050764)
Yeah, totally agree. Ironically COVID has made me realise how much I want to work in an office now, as I'm going slightly insane from the lack of social contact. Moving forward, the best middle ground for most jobs would probably be half the traditional working week in an office, the other half from home. Or something like that.
Re:Death of the Office by nxc18 on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:33PM (#23044486)
I think what I'd personally prefer is office as coworking space - go there when onboarding, have space for meetings/events/sessions, and have a few offices available for the people who prefer that.

Best of both worlds - cost savings from everyone who prefer to be home (which will be a lot of people) with the option to commute when its the better option.

Re:Death of the Office by tibbydudeza on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:31PM (#23044456)
"Videoconferencing is better than nothing, but the latency makes me want to claw my eyes out"

Perhaps this the killer thing for VR.

Re:Death of the Office by itronitron on Friday May 01, 2020 @02:07PM (#23044826)
It would be interesting to see whether a team meeting held in minecraft negated the issues with video latency. If there is no expectation that you can read people's facial expressions then the latency becomes a non-issue.
Re:Death of the Office by harimau777 on Friday May 01, 2020 @01:41PM (#23044572)
I think that could help some, since the latency problem is likely made worse by the difficulty reading people's body language to identify the flow of the conversation (e.g. latency + not being able to read the body language of when someone is finished speaking means people interrupt each other).

However, I don't think it would help with the latency itself.

Re:Death of the Office by munificent on Monday May 04, 2020 @04:18PM (#23072783)
How would that help? VR is not a networking technology.