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Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by megiddo on Thursday April 30, 2020 @11:57AM (#23032277)
So, to be clear, price controls never work. Prices are determined (mostly and usually) by supply and demand. More demand -> higher price. More supply -> lower price.

The price of an education (regardless of cost structures, public funding, or whatever) is going to dominated by demand, since supply is relatively fixed. It takes years or decades to increase the supply of qualified instruction following typical university models.

In this case Federal dollars guarantee a massive surplus of demand, while Federal accreditation limits supply (rightly or wrongly).

"Public" schools are paid by students, just like private, as a fee-for-service product. For most educations at most universities, this service is largely indistinguishable. Some of the University income comes from tax offsets, but the product they provide is the same service and on the same market as private universities - fee-based educational services.

The price is therefor entirely determined by the amount of supply (relatively fixed) and the amount of demand for fee-based education. Demand has risen dramatically since WW2 due to a bevvy of Federal programs designed to underwrite and promote post-secondary education.

No amount of legal wrangling or tax-offsetting will defeat that. In fact, by increasing tax-offsets for public universities, the apparent price of the service supplied by public universities drops (relative to the market price), which is a signal to buyers that they should buy MORE of that service. This signal would naturally increase demand until the price of a public education on the market matches the price of the same education at private institutions.

The actual oddity is not that public education pricing keeps rising to private institutional pricing, but that it is not already at the same price.

Prices drive expense-side efficiency. An operation (such as a University) will not be mechanically driven to keep costs significantly lower than income - most are non-profit. There is no reason to "increase margin". Most Universities are already teaching at capacity. Since the price is set by the market, there is no reason to keep prices significantly below the market rate. Instead, the costs associated with an education simply rise to meet whatever revenue can be generated from a fixed pool of buyers. These buyers have virtually no spending limit, since their purchasing is de facto underwritten by enormous Federal programs. The result year-over-year dramatic price increases.

For extra credit, this is largely the same process that drives healthcare pricing in the US. A relatively fixed supply of a specialized service and a price-insensitive buyer pool largely underwritten by massive Federal programs.

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by secabeen on Thursday April 30, 2020 @03:24PM (#23035004)
> No amount of legal wrangling or tax-offsetting will defeat that. In fact, by increasing tax-offsets for public universities, the apparent price of the service supplied by public universities drops (relative to the market price), which is a signal to buyers that they should buy MORE of that service. This signal would naturally increase demand until the price of a public education on the market matches the price of the same education at private institutions.

This is an interesting claim, because tax-offsets of tuition have been going down over the last 30 years, not up. Look at the percentage of educational costs covered by state general funds in the late 60s compared to today. It's night and day different.

> Prices drive expense-side efficiency. An operation (such as a University) will not be mechanically driven to keep costs significantly lower than income - most are non-profit. There is no reason to "increase margin". Most Universities are already teaching at capacity. Since the price is set by the market, there is no reason to keep prices significantly below the market rate. Instead, the costs associated with an education simply rise to meet whatever revenue can be generated from a fixed pool of buyers. These buyers have virtually no spending limit, since their purchasing is de facto underwritten by enormous Federal programs. The result year-over-year dramatic price increases.

This is a interesting point, but the data doesn't back it up. We have data from the Department of Education on expenditures by universities. It doesn't show dramatic expenditure increases. The prices went up because state legislatures cut higher ed funding, and universities had to raise tuition to balance the books. Here's that data: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d18/tables/dt18_334.10.a...

If you have data showing that universities are spending dramatically more in expenditures on a per-student constant-dollar basis, I'd love to see it.

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by lumost on Thursday April 30, 2020 @03:54PM (#23035348)
This is true for free-market goods, however there is no fundamental reason a state run institution should be beholden to such rules. In the case of public transport the state dictates the price and to some extent capacity, and the local authorities find the right set of tradeoffs to make it work ( with mixed results ).

In the case of a state university, it's odd that we don't see at least one example of this approach. Why isn't there an example of a state university with fixed admissions capacity, poor dorm/ student life quality, low cost, but with good academics?

We generally see the same set of tradeoffs across the entire industry with no student cost considerations in university planning to speak of.

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by ridaj on Thursday April 30, 2020 @12:59PM (#23033122)
> this is largely the same process that drives healthcare pricing in the US

Also, real estate

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by N1H1L on Thursday April 30, 2020 @02:32PM (#23034361)
And traffic in freeways when you build them in/near urban centers.