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Re:Recovered virus patients retest positive due to 'dead' vi... by slg on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @11:45PM (#23027208)
I'm just letting you know this is where I drop out of this debate.

You are not being consistent in your arguments. You are criticizing me for not making an apples to apples comparison and in the same paragraph you are doing exactly that by talking about all the preventive measures that reduce flu deaths while ignoring that the country is currently shutdown to prevent COVID deaths.

You are cherry picking statistics to support your point while ignoring data that conflicts with it. For example the data coming out of New York suggests a higher fatality rate and the numbers you are using from the Diamond Princess are either out of date or flat wrong.

You are both putting words in my mouth and pretending I didn't say things that I did. No one here ever said "this disease is a "death sentence" for an asthmatic 20 year old". I already admitted that the only group that has less to fear from COVID than the flu is the very young, yet you are still bringing up that point when I am talking about overall fatality rates.

Re:Recovered virus patients retest positive due to 'dead' vi... by arcticbull on Thursday April 30, 2020 @12:06AM (#23027324)
> You are not being consistent in your arguments. You are criticizing me for not making an apples to apples comparison and in the same paragraph you are doing exactly that by talking about all the preventive measures that reduce flu deaths while ignoring that the country is currently shutdown to prevent COVID deaths.

Apologies, what I was trying to say is that comparing COVID now to an average flu isn't an apples to apples comparison even if the numbers land where they are now, for all those reasons, some of which are non linear. This is including the ones you mention. The flu has a vaccine, and plenty of past exposures. COVID has the shut-down -- though it also has huge virulence and asymptomatic transmissions that appear to be ongoing.

> You are cherry picking statistics to support your point while ignoring data that conflicts with it. For example the data coming out of New York suggests a higher fatality rate and the numbers you are using from the Diamond Princess are either out of date or flat wrong.

Indeed the Diamond Princess number was out of date. I'm suggesting that there's a broad spectrum of CFR estimates (0.08% to 15%) and there's reasons neither is representative.

> You are both putting words in my mouth and pretending I didn't say things that I did. No one here ever said "this disease is a "death sentence" for an asthmatic 20 year old".

GP, who I realize now is not you said: "If asthma or hypertension have suddenly become a death sentence, that is a very big deal;..."

It'll be interesting to see where the dust settles.

Re:Recovered virus patients retest positive due to 'dead' vi... by tptacek on Thursday April 30, 2020 @12:12AM (#23027356)
Speaking as the person you thought you were replying to: "younger" as in "than 85+", the context of the thread. "20 years old" is something you made up to make your argument look more sound than it is.
Re:Recovered virus patients retest positive due to 'dead' vi... by arcticbull on Thursday April 30, 2020 @12:50AM (#23027543)
The 20-ish demographic is actually the worst case with respect to asthma, representing a larger than average proportion of asthma-positive COVID hospitalizations because they don't really have many other co-morbidities and they're young. It's all in the link I provided. 20-ish is actually to your advantage, not mine. I'm not trying to "win" anything, just provide some perspective.
Re:Recovered virus patients retest positive due to 'dead' vi... by slg on Thursday April 30, 2020 @02:38AM (#23028057)
I will just say kudos to you for admitting when you were wrong. Many people would have just ignored my comment and never responded.
Re:Recovered virus patients retest positive due to 'dead' vi... by arcticbull on Thursday April 30, 2020 @04:19AM (#23028658)
Hey I don't wanna be wrong, always happy to be learn I am so I can stop ;) if my goal were to scream into the aethter there's easier places.