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Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by jdkee on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:18PM (#23022384)
Nationalize Boeing in the interest of national secuirty.
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by Pfhreak on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @03:00PM (#23022818)
Initially I was opposed to this idea, but I'm coming around on it. We invest heavy tax subsidies into Boeing, and time and time again their executives seek short term profits at the expense of safety, worker protections, jobs, etc.

A nationalized Boeing could have different objectives, provide a strong set of working class jobs, and ensure we continue to produce planes here in the States.

Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by thephyber on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @03:12PM (#23022934)
Let it go into bankruptcy.

Investors will feel the pain and demand a change of leadership (very badly needed after the 737 MAX debacle).

A bankruptcy that large will be shepherded by the government to prevent too many long-term job losses and to prevent the defense-sensitive projects/info from being owned by foreign companies.

Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by nickff on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @08:21PM (#23026195)
There was already a change of leadership in the wake of the MAX issues. Are you suggesting that more changes need to be made? If so, which would be most impactful and why?
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by missedthecue on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:26PM (#23025256)
I've always thought it was sorta ridiculous that the venn diagram of people screaming at the government over the handling of the coronavirus and the people who want to nationalise industry is nearly a perfect circle.
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by renewiltord on Thursday April 30, 2020 @03:36AM (#23028396)
Boeing is under defacto state control. National security is not a problem.
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by trianglem on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:28PM (#23022501)
No, capitalism is good we just have to reign it in like Europe and Asia.
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by omgwtfbyobbq on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:35PM (#23022573)
This. The only stuff that needs to be nationalized is some fraction of certain industries that are critical for the nation (eg infrastructure, shipping, defense, energy, etc...).
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by ardy42 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:47PM (#23022693)
> This. The only stuff that needs to be nationalized is some fraction of certain industries that are critical for the nation (eg infrastructure, shipping, defense, energy, etc...).

Boeing is a big defense contractor:

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/01/30/boeing-earnings-th...:

> In addition to being the world's biggest producer of commercial airplanes, Boeing is also one of the world's biggest defense businesses -- and this is key to understanding Boeing stock. Commercial Airplanes may provide 69% of Boeing's revenue, but according to data from S&P Global Market Intelligence, Commercial Airplanes contributes only 54% of the company's profits. The bulk of Boeing's remaining business comes from its big Defense, Space & Security division, which comprises three parts: Military Aircraft, Network & Space Systems, and Global Services & Support.

Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by animalgonzales on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @03:08PM (#23022898)
lol yeah everything is just peachy with American capitalism
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by bagacrap on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:32PM (#23022542)
Capitalism sort of implies competition...
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by vkou on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:56PM (#23022781)
The only thing that capitalism implies is the existence of a class that does not work, but collects profits from the capital it owns.

That class sees competition is an unnecessary, and a profit-reducing problem[1] that can be routed around.

[1] See Thiel's monopoly essay.

Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by Ididntdothis on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:54PM (#23025522)
Instead of aspiring to be capitalistic we should aspire to have a competitive market economy.
Re:Boeing, expecting a long slump, will cut 16k jobs by ardy42 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:55PM (#23022767)
> Capitalism sort of implies competition...

Actually, I don't think it does:

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/capitalism:

> An economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

A privately-owned monopoly that ruthlessly crushes all competition is just as capitalistic as a privately-owned competitor in a market with perfect competition. The key concept is private ownership and control, not competition. Competition is is only required if you want the resulting system to have some positive externalities for consumers and society at large.