Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by cpursley on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @11:13AM
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Plenty of people are calling for central planning of economies right now, and that's freighting if history is any teacher.
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Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by standardUser on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @11:34AM
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Examples of any influential individuals calling for overthrowing the current economic system and replacing it with a centrally planned economy?
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by sethammons on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:17PM
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While not influential per se, it feels like every response to "people need work / pay" is "the govt can save us, get back in your house moron." The only way that anyone talks about it working is the govt taking over and suspending this or that, paying for this other thing, a few trillion here and there. They are all saying "centrally planned economy" without saying it.
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by standardUser on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:17PM
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No, you are saying "centrally planned economy" on their behalf. They are calling for extreme but temporary emergency measures to handle what may be the greatest economic crisis of our lifetimes.
Are you seriously confusing support for these measures with support for ending the market system in the United States? Can you see what a fantastical stretch that is?
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by cpursley on Thursday April 30, 2020 @08:56AM
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Like the "temporary" Patriot Act?
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by parsnips on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:21PM
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AOC, Rashida Talib, Ilhan Omar. What do you think the Green New Deal is?
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by devonkim on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:57PM
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The GND with its extensive use of private contractors is basically neoliberal like our current DoD. It is structured almost exactly the same as DoD and with a vague never-ending mission would likely take as much resources to fight an enemy that may honestly always exist. A better policy would be focused upon global trade policies to globally incentivize all countries to choose cleaner infrastructure. This sobering reality is one I certainly found refreshing from the Yang climate worldview than the climate alarmist view that civilization ends if we don't go carbon neutral in 8 years aggressively pushing the GND as a gold standard policy.
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by arbitrary_name on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:39PM
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What on earth are you talking about?
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by standardUser on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:18PM
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The Green New Deal is not a call for an end to market capitalism, nor is it a call for a centrally planned economy. Your point is utterly invalid.
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by parsnips on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @04:02PM
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Let's just look at one (expensive) idea proposed in the GND:
>Upgrading all existing buildings and building new ones so that they achieve maximum energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability.
How is a directive to upgrade all existing buildings, anything but central planning of an entire industry?
Re:U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Rec...
by fl0wenol on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @06:35PM
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That sounds awfully like a nod towards developers and REITs that you'd get property tax breaks and/or credits if you hit LEED certification levels.
What is the problem with that? It's already a thing, just not nationally. You get that pro-jobs angle for contractors, provide a stop-gap when new construction slows servicing existing owners looking to reduce costs.
You're reading the proposals with an ... impractical eye.