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Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by forgot_my_pwd on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @09:24PM (#23014229)
Many studies across the world are showing infection rates for Covid-19 are far higher than official numbers indicate. These studies appear to support the spirit of their statements.
Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by cjhopman on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @10:41PM (#23014699)
AFAIK, there is not a single study that "[shows] infection rates for Covid-19 are far higher than official numbers indicate". There is no place in the world (again, afaik) that is attempting to report the number of infected people, all the "official numbers" are roughly either "confirmed infected" or clinically-confirmed infected. All health experts (as far back as early january when we just had numbers from Wuhan) were saying that the actual number of infected will be much higher than those confirmed infected. There are a lot of studies that indicate that those experts are correct (and I am, maybe unfairly, assuming that those are the studies that you are misrepresenting).
Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by nostrebored on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:48AM (#23015809)
Confirmed infected is being used for the mortality rate. Confirmed infected is not being updated to take advantage of serological data which shows percentage prevalence tens of times higher than the official confirmed count.

If we were talking an order of double, I think people would be a bit less ruffled. We're not though. We're talking 50-85 times in places like Santa Clara.

Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by stOneskull on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @04:16AM (#23016726)
Same with the death rate. Covid is most always a co-factor in the death along with other reasons. Like a smoker with emphysema who was dying anyway and the virus is the trigger. They really died from smoking their whole life. Another virus or bacteria could've killed them.
Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by dionian on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @11:13PM (#23014898)
It doesn't matter. Why is YouTube policing speech? If anything, this will give "incorrect ideas" more attention than letting them be heard.
Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by jdkee on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:25AM (#23015343)
That does not logically follow if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions.
Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by pmarreck on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:47AM (#23015477)
> if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions

But you're now asking people to trust experts, which in 2020 is apparently crazy-talk

Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by username90 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @07:35AM (#23017954)
The problem is that the people who made this video are by definition experts. Experts are often wrong and disagree, so if the public listens to the wrong experts and silence the right experts we have a problem. Therefore it is better to not try to decide which experts are right or wrong so we can silence them, since chances are that the people doing the evaluation are the ones in the wrong.
Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by ceejayoz on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:39PM (#23021154)
> The problem is that the people who made this video are by definition experts.

They are experts in an entirely different field.

You don't need any training in statistics, epidemiology, public health, etc. to be an urgent care doc. They're experts in diagnosing and fixing ailments (at an individual level) that don't require a full-blown ER visit or hospitalization.

Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by cvwright on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:06AM (#23015575)
It doesn’t help that the experts started 2020 by downplaying the threat and telling people not to wear masks.
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Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by pmarreck on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @11:33PM (#23027157)
> What is it with people and willingly accept argument from authority just because there is a PhD or MD next to the name?

Because this is how it worked for literally hundreds of years and it seemed to work just fine, and only NOW does it seem we have a problem

Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by wesammikhail on Thursday April 30, 2020 @12:49AM (#23027538)
That´s pure kaka. That´s how it has worked for the past 50 years at most and this revisionist history in favor of some high and mighty self-serving position is a no-go for me.
Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by pmarreck on Thursday April 30, 2020 @04:20PM (#23035611)
Kaka? Dude, we're doing the exact same thing we did 100 years ago and people are being just as stupid:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191141

Or let's go back even further to the bubonic plague:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/04/bubonic-p...

In all these cases, the medical experts were right and trustworthy, and the politicians and public were WRONG AND MISLEADING, and that resulted in more deaths.

Re:YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for ... by thu2111 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @05:25AM (#23017158)
"Experts" in 2020 are merely washed up mathematicians and Ethiopian politicians who have no incentive to be correct, only to speak, and who have spent a lot of time publicly arguing with each other and producing completely contradictory advice and predictions. Of those predictions they all had severe and deep flaws, like the Imperial paper that assumed hospital capacity was entirely static and couldn't increase at all. That's an assumption any working nurse could have corrected immediately but the team responsible didn't bother asking them.

There are no experts in this disease, only people trying to control other people through false proclamations of authority.