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Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by ashtonkem on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:09AM (#23003267)
That’s the rational calculus, yes. But humans have a really hard time balancing suffering today against hypothetical suffering tomorrow, especially when successful intervention makes it appear like the problem was never there in the first place.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by nostrebored on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @01:50AM (#23003842)
That's an interesting presupposition, entirely unconfirmed by data.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by TeMPOraL on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @06:45AM (#23005649)
It's true almost by definition. Actions sufficient to mitigate a low-probability, high-impact event will seem like complete overreaction for people who can't do this calculation - which is most of them. After all, lots of effort and sacrifice happened, and there was no damage!
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by doliveira on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @03:30AM (#23004459)
I don't know enough about psychology to Google the exact term, but let's not be so pedantic as to pretend it is not at least a plausible assumption.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by nostrebored on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @04:59AM (#23005091)
No, this is a stance that's completely unsubstantiated, with the obvious tie in to COVID-19 that's also unsubstantiated.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by doliveira on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @07:23AM (#23005891)
Can you point to a study about this? In Bayesian terms most people would put the prior probability in favor of his common sense hypothesis. And you just have to Google for "psychology of risk perception" to get a few more studies in favor of it.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by thu2111 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @04:10AM (#23004760)
Well yes, of course it's rational. Tautologically, hypothetical suffering tomorrow might not happen whereas suffering today actually is happening - in this case we have only the words of essentially discredited 'experts' (epidemiologists), many of whom are constantly bickering in public and pronouncing each others models useless or broken.

And the idea that mass lockdowns can stop the spread of virus is itself a radical, new idea that's never been tried, and which has its own cadre of experts saying it hasn't been working or is making little difference.

Given what we know now, extending a shelter-in-place order through all of May is catastrophic. It will likely trigger mass civil unrest. The virus just isn't that dangerous.

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by gizmondo on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @07:39AM (#23006000)
> And the idea that mass lockdowns can stop the spread of virus is itself a radical, new idea that's never been tried, and which has its own cadre of experts saying it hasn't been working or is making little difference.

You probably could say "has not been tried recently", but mass quarantines has been tried since time immemorial.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by thu2111 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @07:46AM (#23006048)
No. Preventative mass global quarantine has never been tried anywhere. Even quarantines in classical times were used for the already infected and known to be infectious, not everyone at once. What's being done now has no precedent.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by gizmondo on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @07:56AM (#23006128)
Global quarantine has never been tried just because there was (almost) no global travel or communication.

And I think your second statement is false, preventive isolation en masse was practiced (to the extent possible) during bubonic plague.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by ashtonkem on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @10:44AM (#23007461)
The name quarantine itself comes from a preventative isolation practice.

But lockdowns during pandemics have been practiced occasionally, but always at the city level, due to the nature of governance during past pandemics. Famously Newton and Shakespeare did work during London lockdowns, and some Italian city states distributed fixed rations to peasants to help them stay at home.

What’s new isn’t preventative quarantines, what’s new is global travel and communication.