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Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by exhilaration on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:10PM (#23001259)
Since my wife is on my health insurance plan, COBRA is going to be very expensive.

Instead of COBRA, can you get on an Obamacare ACA plan? That might be much cheaper.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by hysan on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:16PM (#23001310)
My wife is a certified social worker and knows just about everything there is about that. It’ll be cheaper but far worse in terms of coverage and deductibles. So it’s an option for stretching budget, but it’s not a good solution if anything significant happens. I’ll ask her if she knows what’s changed with regards to COVID-19 related cases, but my guess is that nothing in terms of coverage has changed. So given the current world circumstances, switching would be akin to taking a giant gamble on your health.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by redisman on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @01:05AM (#23003577)
Unless you have pre-existing conditions or very expensive and rare prescriptions, it's probably worth the gamble to go to something like a silver plan at this point. How many months of COBRA would you pay until you reach the max out of pocket payout for the silver plan is some math you should do. You can scale that based on your risk tolerance.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by geerlingguy on Monday April 27, 2020 @08:56PM (#23002114)
An equivalent plan in my state (MO) is 2.5x more expensive (monthly), with a higher deductible and fewer available in-network providers :(
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by chris11 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:04AM (#23003242)
Is medicaid a good option? I think you should qualify in California. Also, I don't know your situation, but has your health needs changed recently? I know Kaiser is trying to limit unnecessary office visits.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by PopeDotNinja on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @12:31AM (#23003387)
In California, Obamacare IS Medical (aka Medicaid). I signed up once. I couldn't get my Vyvanse for my ADHD because it's a controlled substance, and the Medical doctor wouldn't touch a prescription for it.

Pro-tip:. If you pay out of pocket for your regular doctor (maybe tell then your situation and work out a deal), you can get Medical to pay for the prescription (verify before trying).

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by masonic on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @04:58AM (#23005088)

  Obamacare IS Medical (aka Medicaid)
No, Obamacare is Covered CA.

Medicaid is called MediCal, except persons in the US illegally can get it, too.

  If you pay out of pocket for your regular doctor... you can get Medical to pay for the prescription 
That's a felony.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by blendo on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:42PM (#23001571)
On my California Kaiser plan, COBRA was about 35% cheaper than the equivalent Covered California offering.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by malyk on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:12PM (#23001278)
you don't have to pay for cobra until you need it though, so you could get out spending $0, iirc.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by justin66 on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:47PM (#23001610)
There is a grace period before you have to start paying, and the dates should be on the letter you receive when you leave your employer. The grace period does not last forever, and when it's almost up, you need to pay several months at once to get coverage. (another comment suggests these rules might vary somewhat by state, and I'm sure that is also possible)
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by masonic on Monday April 27, 2020 @11:56PM (#23003196)
For ACA, policies, the grace period is forever. Job loss is a "life event" that lets you jump in any time, not just an arbitrary open enrollment window.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by justin66 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @01:00AM (#23003549)
The grace period to start paying for a plan under the ACA is 60 days, not "forever." It's true that you don't need to wait for open enrollment, a special enrollment period opens for you when you lose your job.

edit: I'm not sure there's any grace period at all with the ACA. You have 60 days to sign up, but unlike COBRA, I don't see any evidence you can start using the insurance without paying for it first, which is the nice thing about the COBRA grace period.

https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage-outside-open-enrollment/...

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by masonic on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @05:02AM (#23005117)
I was talking about California. CA has no such limitation right now.

https://www.coveredca.com/individuals-and-families/getting-c...

  I don't see any evidence you can start using the insurance without paying for it first,
Because there's no limitation on pre existing conditions, it's effectively the same. You can sign up the day you get sick and have a free ride until then. That's why the CBO scoring was all bullshit.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by justin66 on Tuesday April 28, 2020 @08:22AM (#23006280)
> Because there's no limitation on pre existing conditions, it's effectively the same. You can sign up the day you get sick and have a free ride until then.

How does that work if you've suffered a catastrophic injury and you're not well enough to sign up until after you've been treated in the hospital for several days?

It's similar, but it doesn't sound like the COBRA thing, where you have the option to retroactively extend your employer's coverage, or not, for a couple of months and you can still visit the hospital the same as you always did (or not) because of the payment and notification grace period. If it turns out you didn't need the insurance, you don't need to pay for it.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by mceachen on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:42PM (#23001573)
At least in CA, if you opt out of COBRA, you can't opt back in later.
Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by brianwawok on Monday April 27, 2020 @07:50PM (#23001643)
Hum. In IL and IN you have either 45 or 60 days to accept or decline coverage (don’t quote me on exact number, do the research). It made the optimal short term insurance policy to be:

Don’t fill out cobra paperwork to day 59

If not sick or total bills less than 2 months cobra payments, decline cobra.

If sick and total bills > 2 months cobra payments, decide to accept coverage.

Used this for like 5 job hops. Never had to opt in, but it seemed fine. Confirmed with HR several times that it would work as I said.

After 2 months it starts to get gross. Likely want to get an emergency only plan.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by r00fus on Monday April 27, 2020 @10:11PM (#23002614)
I think your heuristics change if you happen to have an ongoing condition or family needing coverage (who may also happen to have costly out-of-coverage costs).

This is the kind of mental gymnastics that would be completely avoided if we had even the most basic of universal coverage.

Re:The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is bein... by omgwtfbyobbq on Monday April 27, 2020 @09:36PM (#23002377)
It's the same in CA in my experience. I guess people don't think about it b/c we're used to pre-paying for insurance and with COBRA there's a decent period of time to make a decision and you also pay for insurance the following month instead of paying for it prior to/during the month.