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Re:Contact apps won't end lockdown. But they might kill off ... by em-bee on Saturday April 25, 2020 @10:43PM (#22983895)
the economy is not the victim here. the question is, is your freedom to travel more important than my right to stay healthy?

if we want to keep travelling then we must explore ways to travel that don't endanger others. this will have a huge effect on public transport. but it is imaginable. ironically (for someone who doesn't like cars) this also means that car travel should increase as well.

and suddenly suburban sprawl looks like a good idea too.

Re:Contact apps won't end lockdown. But they might kill off ... by odshoifsdhfs on Sunday April 26, 2020 @07:02AM (#22986242)
I see this topic come up but I don't know the answer, but let me put it another way. I will change go out with travel, but I think it also applies.

If you never leave your house, you will never get covid (give or take, lets assume). If I am sick, and I never leave the house, no-one will ever get sick from me.

But why is your(others) right to go out more important than mine? People that don't want to get the virus can stay home as much as the sick person no? If people are so scared of people on the street having the virus, they can just stay home and protect themselves

And on the other extreme, and this is what I hear a lot, it comes from people that have 'good' homes. A room for everyone where they can be alone, a warm house, wifi and facebook/IG/Steam and are either working from home or getting some benefits for staying home (not all countries are giving checks to everyone, and some people really are screwed). Now if you compare this to the other side (and not even extreme a lot of people live like this) where there is one room for 3 kids, no wifi, 4 tv channels and a moldy old house that is freezing. It seems to me it is easy to say 'stay at home' when we live like 'kings' and don't think if that person doesn't go to work cleaning some stairs or whatnot, they will have no food at the end of the month.

You can apply this to travel I think, by saying some people really need to travel for work (wether airport or a subway), so why is non-covid people more important that covid-positive people?

Re:Contact apps won't end lockdown. But they might kill off ... by cassalian on Sunday April 26, 2020 @03:30AM (#22985308)
> if we want to keep travelling then we must explore ways to travel that don't endanger others.

Last time I checked, traveling by car very often endagers others, and far more than flying, even when considering covid.

https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/

> Approximately 1.35 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,700 people lose their lives every day on the roads.

> An additional 20-50 million suffer non-fatal injuries, often resulting in long-term disabilities.

> More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among vulnerable road users—pedestrians, cyclists, and motorcyclists.

> Road traffic injuries are the leading cause of death among young people aged 5-29. Young adults aged 15-44 account for more than half of all road deaths.

>Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad