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Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by londons_explore on Friday April 24, 2020 @11:52AM (#22969347)
If they get it all over with in 30 days, when the USA takes 300 days to get it over with, they are still looking smart...

What matters is deaths overall, not deaths per day.

Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by notacoward on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:12PM (#22969625)
> If they get it all over with in 30 days

Time's already up.

As I've had to point out many times, "get to herd immunity faster" doesn't just mean let everyone get sicker sooner. The whole "flattening the curve" thing is not about an alternative to herd immunity. It's about getting there in a humane way that doesn't overwhelm health care and disproportionately affect some groups - the elderly, minorities, people with other health conditions, people who have no choice but to work and expose themselves more. "Let the chips fall where they may" is a recipe for excessive and unevenly distributed suffering. And worst of all, it might not even help reduce the total deaths over the long term. That's highly speculative and dependent on other factors.

Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by SpicyLemonZest on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:17PM (#22969705)
The reason you've had to point that out many times is that it no longer matches common usage. Most people who use "flatten the curve" nowadays insist that it is about an alternative to herd immunity, that herd immunity is absolutely unacceptable and we can't permit it. (You're right that this is not originally what the phrase meant.)
Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by notacoward on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:33PM (#22969923)
> Most people who use "flatten the curve" nowadays insist that it is about an alternative

That has absolutely not been my impression, but they're probably both matters of perspective - who we talk to, what sources we read, and so on. To the extent that people do think of it as an alternative, that makes me sad.

Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by soperj on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:31PM (#22969894)
Herd immunity might not even be possible. Other coronavirus immunity lasts on average a year. There are other viruses like HIV where you can't get herd immunity.
Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by microtherion on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:56PM (#22970269)
> There are other viruses like HIV where you can't get herd immunity.

Well, maybe if we had just engaged in a vigorous program of needle sharing and unprotected sex, we'd eventually have gotten there.

Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by soperj on Friday April 24, 2020 @04:41PM (#22972707)
No, it's impossible based on the virus.
Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by soperj on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:32PM (#22969905)
Overall, in deaths per million Sweden is ahead of the US as well.
Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by soperj on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:00PM (#22969458)
It's not likely going to be over until a vaccine comes. The US and Sweden are handling it equally well.
Re:Sweden to shut bars and restaurants that ignore coronavir... by munk-a on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:11PM (#22969623)
I agree with the sentiment that Sweden isn't handling it particularly well, the writing on the wall was showing that a full lockdown has been a good idea for quite some time.

That said, the US is a great example of how to handle the situation absolutely terribly - with a major political party probably funding and at least endorsing movements violating the lockdown and terribly unclear messaging.

No, I don't like the US's approach. Canada has had it's good and bad points and Vancouver was basically acting like Florida for a while, but the governments response has been well focused, even if we don't have the resources to throw at the problem that the US does - and the messaging has been extremely comforting and clear.