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Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by chesterarthur on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:33AM (#22966541)
You have to share values with someone to be their friend?
Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by Insanity on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:39AM (#22966572)
To form a long-lasting friendship, you need at least some common ground to touch on.
Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by werber on Friday April 24, 2020 @08:11AM (#22967097)
That's the great thing about co-worker friends. I don't have tech friends from my "real" life, but I have a ton of random friends from old jobs I talk to and (in what seems like a different life, before COVID-19) get together with regularly. What started as joking about agile processes is now planning weird trips and brunches.
Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by chesterarthur on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:43AM (#22966599)
Shared interest and mutual respect is different than shared values
Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by Kye on Friday April 24, 2020 @08:14AM (#22967117)
Some values are incompatible with mutual respect.
Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by Tade0 on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:54AM (#22966655)
I need to share any subset o values.

Otherwise there's no space for dialogue. I believe this is the norm.

Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by meddlepal on Friday April 24, 2020 @07:39AM (#22966895)
Are people using values to mean interests? I need to share some interests: sports, beer, model building, architecture etc...

Values though? I can't see that being the norm unless your shared interest is politics, religion, or social order/dynamics.

Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by Tade0 on Friday April 24, 2020 @09:02AM (#22967481)
I don't. I literally mean values.

I have people with shared interests added as "friends" on facebook, but my actual friends are those with whom I have some common ground - even if it's something as abstract as the shared belief that nothing is ever "100% done" or that politics is just a game of appearances and one shouldn't get too invested emotionally in them.

Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by Viliam1234 on Saturday April 25, 2020 @02:16PM (#22979998)
> Are people using values to mean interests?

This was a mistake I made in my 20s. No, values are not interests. Values are things like "would this person stab me in the back, given opportunity?". That can happen in sport, job, anywhere.

From long-term perspective, just like you lose most work-friends when you change your work, you lose most of your hobby-friends when you change a hobby or simply not have enough time for the hobby anymore. Values seem to stay for much longer time.

Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by blumomo on Friday April 24, 2020 @07:55AM (#22966999)
aren’t you valuing tennis as a sport if you like to talk about it with colleagues? I’d say that interests and values go a long way together.
Re:Career advice for people with bad luck by mLuby on Friday April 24, 2020 @09:11AM (#22967562)
In the US at least, "values" has come to mean ethical positions, like those brands and politicians claim. For example, "treating all life as sacred" or "helping the neediest" or "maintaining our traditions." A person might say that politicians and brands "share my values."

Different from interests, hobbies, or shared experiences that provide the basis for most friendships.