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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by DangerousPie on Friday April 24, 2020 @05:47AM (#22966286)
On the other hand there are much fewer traffic accidents, much less pollution and people aren't going to bars and getting into fights. So I'm not sure if the net effect of the lockdown on mortality is actually expected to be positive or negative.
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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by ekianjo on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:02AM (#22966380)
> So I'm not sure if the net effect of the lockdown on mortality is actually expected to be positive or negative.

Wouldn't this kind of graphs precisely answer the question, since deaths are not just related to COVID19 only?

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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by jon-v on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:58AM (#22966689)
The main effect we expect to see on excess mortality is not from the lockdown, but from the overloading of the health care systems.
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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by DangerousPie on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:33AM (#22966538)
No, because you don't know how many of these deaths are COVID19-related deaths that just weren't counted in the official figures for some reason.
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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by duckmysick on Friday April 24, 2020 @05:58AM (#22966364)
> much less pollution

Unless the pollution was incredibly concentrated, wouldn't the effects show much later?

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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by dx034 on Friday April 24, 2020 @06:39AM (#22966571)
Yes, maybe fewer asthma cases and related deaths over the next decades but not sure if a few months of less pollution are sufficient.
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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by 8bitsrule on Friday April 24, 2020 @07:22AM (#22966814)
Speaking of pollution:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/20/air-poll...

Title: Strong correlation between Covid deaths and high air pollution

"Research shows almost 80% of deaths across four countries were in most polluted regions"

Study: 'Assessing nitrogen dioxide (NO2) levels as a contributing factor to coronavirus (COVID-19) fatality'

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.scitotenv.2020.138605

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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by bayesian_horse on Friday April 24, 2020 @08:17AM (#22967143)
I haven't read those studies but I do hope they controlled for population density...
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Re:European mortality monitoring shows increase in excess mo... by bayesian_horse on Friday April 24, 2020 @08:16AM (#22967129)
I'm sure the net effect is less people dying, of the pandemic or not, than without the lockdowns.
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