It is not a given that there exists an optimal middle ground when it comes to central information control. Similar arguments have been done in regard to encryption controls where the arguments are in favor of backdoors, escrows, export control. But it has been mostly rejected that we need to find a optimal middle ground between giving government access to information and providing encryption for e-commerce depending on the context in which the communication takes place. We either have strong encryption or we don't.

I would also look to inspiration from the past, and here I will copy loosely from a talk by Eben Moglen. Government wants to control communication. Sometimes in a claim of some civilizing mission on the belief that government and only government can really artfully determine who ought to speak to the masses, and sometimes quite explicitly for the purpose of remaining itself in power. But whatever the reason may be, a lust for power or a misguided belief in the superiority of government wisdom about who should speak to many, central information control is an evil whose time has come.

Right now Google is not seen as an essential part of the infrastructure of society. Google can shutdown email, maps, search and Youtube today and we the citizens have no voice to dictate otherwise. No matter how much people rely on Google maps for driving, or have information stored in the cloud that impact their lives, for now those systems are not considered essential. That view however is starting to change as people's lives start to get unseparable from their use of those services. At that point we get the same discussion. Who ought to speak to the masses, and what will that decision be based on? A lust for power, or the belief in the superiority of government wisdom?

> central information control is an evil whose time has come.

It depends on the context. If your city is being invaded by a civilian-slaughtering army, I doubt many of the civilians would refer to a coordinated military defense as "evil", even though it would rely heavily on centralized information control.

In war time we accept the kind of government control that we would never do in peace time. Law is suspended. Freedom is removed. Elections is historically often put on hold.

During war time people genuinely believe in the superiority of government wisdom. It is sad aspect of how people work during a crisis, and it has enabled many atrocities which we in peace time can't image a human being could commit. Thankfully in peace time people tend to build up some resistance and recognize government wisdom for what it is. Sometimes it is right, sometimes it is not, and only through open dialog and free communication can we determine which is which.

I think part of the trouble is, our society is built on the radical decentralization of information control during the enlightenment. Our most basic propaganda is based around the idea that we are the successful society because we allow more decentralised information control. The central powers who would like to now have more control over our information are also the primary sources of propaganda which justifies our way of life by saying everyone can make up their own mind.

If I had the skills I would build a strategy game that deals with the new reality - that tribes are nonlocal but often ideologically quite cohesive. Exploring the idea that one's ideological affiliations, rather than one's government or search engine, controls one's thought seems like it would lend itself to the medium rather well.

Tribes are non local? That's a pipe dream. Every minute 23 girls younger than 18 married in a pre-arrangement. If a 35 year old man would trade a goat for a 13 year old girl in the developed world than the tribe would hang this man before midnight when the news reports on this extreme form of child abuse. When it these things happen outside the Dunbar number in developing countries we don't give a fuck.

Today 600 million women are alive that were sold before they were 18 to the highest bid, around 200 million also received a physical downgrade by butchering & cutting out a part of their vagina.

Tribes are hyper local.

When I say 'tribes', I am referring to any ideological monoculture. Obviously some tribes are more adapted to local conditions. I would bet even the tribes you are referring to prioritise access to communications technology that allows them to co-ordinate their activities over distances that would have been unmanageable to them two generations ago.

Makes total sense. The black and white thing always seemed so weird. It's a false dichotomy.

Even if censorship is good in the particular context (which seems to be the case here), but bad in general and bad in principle, it seems that the real issue is that there should be one unaccountable entity who gets to make that decision. Why is Youtube big enough to have such an impact without being accountable in any way to the public?

It's not just Youtube, it's also Twitter[1] and Facebook[2]. When they all act in concert with each other, it's much harder to hold them accountable.

I think censorship can be dangerous in this context so I'm working on a decentralised fact-checker. I think it could be a more constructive solution to fake news that isn't subject to these problems: https://blog.verifact.io/2020/04/20/A-decentralised-fact-che...

[1] https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/covid-19....

[2] https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/facebook-fact-checkers-foul-ag...

With the current state of scientific journalism, the likelihood among all channels is a resounding: very low.