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Re:Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch com... by Ensorceled on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:04PM (#22962090)
Yes. Anti-monopoly laws are about overall society health, not just consumer protection. Having only a few large companies controlling large segments has massive negative effects on suppliers, employee wages, etc. etc.
Re:Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch com... by xyzzyz on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:36PM (#22962360)
You might wish that this was the case, but in the US, the anti-trust law doesn't work this way.

The law doesn't prohibit monopoly by itself. Monopolization is only prohibited if it restrains trade, or if the monopoly position was improperly gained. If Amazon attains monopoly position through superior products, innovation, or business acumen, it is very much legal in the US[1].

I think it's hard to argue that Amazon undercutting the participants in its marketplace is restraining the trade: the complaint here is, as I understand it, that through better knowledge of the market, and better integrated and more efficient platform, it is able to offer same or better products at lower prices. I can't see how it restrains the trade, according to how FTC understands it. It would only be illegal if Amazon did sold these products below their own costs, and then planned to recoup the losses by raising the price after the competition is gone. I haven't seen any evidence that this is what's going on.

[1] - https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-a...

Re:Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch com... by Ensorceled on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:41PM (#22962948)
Obtaining a monopoly via legal means is irrelevant if there is then monopolization, the examples given in this thread of "product tying" via Amazon Prime, essential facilities denial via superseding with their own products, and predatory pricing via not having to pay platform fees are all restraining trade.

Whether these could be sufficiently proved is a whole other matter.

Re:Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch com... by xyzzyz on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:14AM (#22964558)
> the examples given in this thread of "product tying" via Amazon Prime, essential facilities denial via superseding with their own products, and predatory pricing via not having to pay platform fees are all restraining trade.

If you don't trade on Amazon's platform, you're not affected by any of these. You might as well complain about Safeway's (or whatever grocery chain operates in your area) anti-competitive practices, because Safeway will also do product tying via membership card, rewards and coupons, deny you facilities to put your products on their shelves, and won't pay carrying fees for its own store brand products.

Sure, it might be much harder for you to compete with Amazon if you can't use its platform, but then the argument is that the Amazon is too competitive, not anti-competitive, and that is in fact legal (and a boon for customers).

Re:Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch com... by missedthecue on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:08AM (#22964524)
>Anti-monopoly laws are about overall society health

you can't prove this