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Re:If a MacBook Pro runs hot or shows high kernel CPU, try c... by dijit on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:18PM (#22960737)
I mean, I agree with you, but you can't look at a thick laptop and just assume it's going to be better.

Thermal zones in servers is a good example of low physical footprint and high density power consumption that cools quite well. The engineering effort being spent on a good thermal solution can cause a device that is thin to outperform a thicker device.

It's just that Apple does not seem to be spending the resources there.

Re:If a MacBook Pro runs hot or shows high kernel CPU, try c... by johnmaguire2013 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:26PM (#22960866)
I don't think the parent was saying that a thick laptop is going to be better - but rather that when you are making a device as thin as possible, and that's the metric you index on, cooling performance WILL suffer.

It's not just that they haven't put enough engineering effort in - they consciously made a design tradeoff.

Re:If a MacBook Pro runs hot or shows high kernel CPU, try c... by dijit on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:36PM (#22961018)
I still think it can be done, whether it's sacrificing performance or rethinking the thermal design to include a smaller battery and a larger heat pipes, or simply using a lower TDP CPU..

But yeah it's all trade-offs.

Re:If a MacBook Pro runs hot or shows high kernel CPU, try c... by franzb on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:43PM (#22961105)
Servers blades are typically cooled by noisy fans spinning incredibly fast and moving large quantities of air. Not really a good comparison IMHO. A better comparison is simply one with non-Apple laptops.
Re:If a MacBook Pro runs hot or shows high kernel CPU, try c... by likeclockwork on Thursday April 23, 2020 @04:21PM (#22960777)
1U servers are LOUD though.
Re:If a MacBook Pro runs hot or shows high kernel CPU, try c... by dijit on Thursday April 23, 2020 @05:01PM (#22961365)
Only because there's no need for them not to be. it's common to retrofit slower spinning quieter fans into servers for home/office use.

But the same design constraints were used in a mini-itx gaming PC on the linus tech tips channel a few months ago.. I can't seem to find the video now though. The thermal performance was amazing.

Re:If a MacBook Pro runs hot or shows high kernel CPU, try c... by yellowapple on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:19PM (#22963626)
My company uses Dell PowerEdge R340s for our onsite server needs, and while they're certainly louder than a modern desktop, they're pretty bearable.

For contrast, I've got a Sun Fire T2000 at home that's louder than the airliners flying overhead (my current and previous apartment both happen to be under airport flight paths, for SFO and RNO, respectively). For obvious reasons (at least until I can figure out how to get a reliable network connection to my garage) that one gets run pretty sparingly, lol