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Re:Customers hate MVPs – Make it simple, loveable, and compl... by troughway on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:39AM (#22955836)
The hypothetical idea behind these "new" MVPs is that you should do the least work possible to start getting clients. If that means it's a phone call, then that's an MVP.

Very bizarre twist of words, but that's what it is.

Re:Customers hate MVPs – Make it simple, loveable, and compl... by MaxBarraclough on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:46AM (#22955903)
But that isn't what the term means. If your product isn't yet viable, you don't have an MVP. Being able to silver-tongue your way to clients doesn't change that.
Re:Customers hate MVPs – Make it simple, loveable, and compl... by loopz on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:57AM (#22956018)
That's business. Of course it can be done in an underhanded way, but with transparency, respect and for the right reasons, it can be valuable input what to build initially. Wether you call it "MVP" or not is purely semantic. thus irrelevant to the context.
Re:Customers hate MVPs – Make it simple, loveable, and compl... by MaxBarraclough on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:17AM (#22956230)
> can be valuable input what to build initially

Sure. Just don't pretend it's something that it isn't.

> Wether you call it "MVP" or not is purely semantic

Well, no. It's not the correct use of the term. Let's be dramatic and look at the worst case: deliberately misusing a term-of-art like 'MVP' may be tantamount to misleading investors and clients.

Re:Customers hate MVPs – Make it simple, loveable, and compl... by colinjoy on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:48AM (#22955922)
I like to think of these as P=Proposition ... useful to evaluate if it makes sense to pursue the idea as a P=Product.