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Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by michaelt on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @07:40PM (#22951364)
> I do wonder what issues come from storing multiples of the same amount of energy in the same space

If it makes you feel any better, gasoline stores 12,888.9 Wh/kg according to Wikipedia. So if you're worried energy density in car crashes, it's still much lower than the status quo.

Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by namibj on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @10:58PM (#22952435)
The issue is that batteries can just short out internally and dump the stored energy into themselves as heat, all within a few seconds. Gasoline can't really do that, and needs an (external) oxidizer to release those 12kWh/kg.
Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by danans on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @08:35PM (#22951683)
Well, OK, but gasoline's energy storage includes its own mass, which is combusted to release the energy, whereas the mass of a battery is basically constant despite charging and discharging, so it's not directly comparable in the sense you describe.

However, now that you bring it up, given that the most efficient ICE cars are about 25% efficent, you get at most 3200Wh of actual usable propulsive energy from the kg of gasoline. If the claims pan out, that is within shooting distance of these Li-S batteries' specific energy, even when accounting for EVs' 60-80% battery-to-wheel efficiency.

Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by ac29 on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @08:20PM (#22951576)
The status quo is Lithium-ion batteries which have certainly been known to spontaneously combust or catch on fire. Gasoline, by contrast, is remarkably stable.
Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by ecpottinger on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @09:43PM (#22952039)
You better not Google car fires if you want to hang onto that belief in the safety of ICE cars.
Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by rootusrootus on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @10:46PM (#22952382)
Gasoline fires don't spontaneously restart, either.

I've also never given much thought to parking my gasoline fueled vehicles inside my garage. When ICE cars do spontaneously ignite, it's never because of the gasoline.

I do sometimes think about how prudent it is to park my Tesla underneath my kids' bedrooms every night while it starts charging unattended after everyone is asleep. I'm glad to have a smoke alarm in the garage.

Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by 14 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @08:45AM (#22955322)
I am glad you have a smoke alarm in the garage I am now thinking how mine died in the garage and I sleep right above it. If it was me in your position I would make sure I used a linked fire alarm system where if one goes off they all go off. It will buy you precious extra seconds getting your kids out as fires can spread incredibly fast.
Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by rootusrootus on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:50AM (#22956632)
Yep, ours are all wired together. Sometimes when I am a little over-enthusiastic searing a steak, I think they can probably hear the ruckus a quarter mile away when every single alarm goes off at once. Makes me feel somewhat secure that I'll be woken up if there is ever an actual fire.
Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by close04 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @05:44AM (#22954275)
ICE engine fires mostly happen on old, unmaintained cars. Very few almost new $60k++ ICE cars spontaneously combust because of the fuel (a short circuit in the dashboard would cause a fire in any type of car). When they do they're relatively easy to put out. And it's a bit easier to spot a potential fire hazard in advance, providing you do the regular checks.

On the other hand a battery fire is about the worst kind of fire a regular person might encounter in day to day life. It's a nightmare even for firefighters. They are very hard to put out and don't want to stay out. There's also no easy way to inspect the battery for such fire-causing potential defects. A single defective cell can cause a thermal runaway event.

It's the unpredictability that makes battery fires more dangerous. At this point we have no feasible preventive measures, no yearly service visits, no visual check for leaks, nothing.

Re:Brighsun’s long-range EV batteries to enter industrial tr... by ashtonkem on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @11:06PM (#22952469)
We’ve gotten used to gasoline car fires, while EV car fires are new and novel.