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Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by gen220 on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @01:47PM (#22937359)
This behavior is explained by the fact that these departments within Google are looking at their “rivals” for inspiration, rather than the fundamental problems Google is rewarded for solving (Search, targeted advertising, IT infrastructure).

Nobody will remember it, but in eBay’s early days of success, Amazon spent a nontrivial amount of engineering effort into building an auction style marketplace. They actually built something that was better than eBay’s model by many accounts. Nobody cared and it was shut down, because Amazon is not where people go to sell things at auction. Just like google search is not where people go to do their shopping.

From the outside, it seems like Amazon doesn’t spend much time worrying about what Google and Facebook are doing. Not sure if that’s changed recently (Alexa, certain AWS products, Amazon original series).

In general, as companies balloon in size, it’s very hard to draw ROI out of the core product, and these companies tend to bloom into conglomerates (like amazon is, arguably). The biggest mistake you can make, IMO, is when you sacrifice the UX of your core product to benefit these “subsidiaries”, like google has done with shopping infecting search, as others have alluded to.

Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by alasdair_ on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:19PM (#22939433)
>This behavior is explained by the fact that these departments within Google are looking at their “rivals” for inspiration, rather than the fundamental problems Google is rewarded for solving (Search, targeted advertising, IT infrastructure).

In Steve Yegge's post on why he left google: "You can look at Google’s entire portfolio of launches over the past decade, and trace nearly all of them to copying a competitor: Google+ (Facebook), Google Cloud (AWS), Google Home (Amazon Echo), Allo (WhatsApp), Android Instant Apps (Facebook, WeChat), Google Assistant (Apple/Siri), and on and on and on. They are stuck in me-too mode and have been for years. They simply don’t have innovation in their DNA any more. And it’s because their eyes are fixed on their competitors, not their customers."

https://medium.com/@steve.yegge/why-i-left-google-to-join-gr...

>Nobody will remember it, but in eBay’s early days of success, Amazon spent a nontrivial amount of engineering effort into building an auction style marketplace. They actually built something that was better than eBay’s model by many accounts. Nobody cared and it was shut down, because Amazon is not where people go to sell things at auction. Just like google search is not where people go to do their shopping.

For more info on "Mr Tooth" and Amazon's quest to compete with eBay, see another Steve Yegge post here: https://medium.com/s/story/jeff-bezos-jack-ma-and-the-quest-...

"So, Life Lesson #2 (and this one is pretty goddamn important) is: Don’t try to beat a network by making a clone with improvements. It ain’t gonna work. There is too much gravitational inertia in the original network; nobody is incentivized to leave it."

Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by grogenaut on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @10:02PM (#22941277)
whats going on with facebook marketplace vs craigslist then?
Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by joshAg on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @01:45AM (#22942629)
at least for cars, craigslist started charging $5 for private parties to make a post, but facebook is free.
Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by alephnan on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @03:16PM (#22938351)
> within Google are looking at their “rivals” for inspiration, rather than the fundamental problems Google is rewarded for solving (Search, targeted advertising, IT infrastructure).

Most of my cloud experience has been with GCP, but I tried Azure this weekend. I'm not sure how good specific cloud services / products are, but Azure has a much better story on a cloud-first development.

In Azure, I used Visual Studio Online (VScode in the browser). This ran in a VM with command line access. It's integrated with Github, and I imagine other Azure web services will come next, such as a one click deploy button. Microsoft's acquisitions and open-sourcing (Monaco editor, TypeScript) has been so strategic and well-integrated. Amazon acquired Cloud9 but not sure where that went. GCP had a lead with a more feature filled web console which has all the right pieces (SSH emulator/shell), but it seems they squandered the opportunity to make it fully integrated development solution with a Web IDE.

Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by ximeng on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @03:42PM (#22938598)
Story of Amazon vs eBay told by Steve Yegge here: https://medium.com/s/story/jeff-bezos-jack-ma-and-the-quest-...
Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by lowdose on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @09:36PM (#22941149)
Could the biggest difference between Alphabet & Amazon come down to if the actual founder is still commanding the army? Bezos is probably a god within Amazon this could be a serious competitive advantage. I believe Zuckerberg and Musk also enjoy the force of good they have created themselves. I don't really understand why you would quit in such a position.
Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by biolurker1 on Wednesday April 22, 2020 @12:54AM (#22942336)
Because some people find other things in life after securing financial freedom. Ceo work is extremely stressful
Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by Scoundreller on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @05:02PM (#22939295)
I don’t remember anything about Amazon auctions, but Yahoo had a pretty good auction system, but it never took off.
Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by rangibaby on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @07:43PM (#22940514)
Japan is in an alternate universe where Yahoo Auctions is the top dog and EBay is unknown
Re:Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazo... by redis_mlc on Tuesday April 21, 2020 @09:51PM (#22941230)
eBay had issues with i18n and entered Japan 28 days after Yahoo auctions.

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