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Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by vinniejames on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:17AM (#22915687)
You completely miss the point. Of course it will roll out giving users the control to opt out.

The problem arises because once it is widespread flipping it to mandatory for all phones is trivial. Check YES to agree to our new Privacy Policy ;)

Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by mikro2nd on Sunday April 19, 2020 @10:35AM (#22916167)
Would that be in the same way that Google gave users the option to opt out of location data collection and then went on doing it anyway?
Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by tcd on Sunday April 19, 2020 @10:50AM (#22916263)
What does opt-out mean anyway? I've had examples where Google Fit has reenabled itself without my due consent in the settings of my phone (and I have screenshots to prove it).

We've seen opt-out abused before so it is down to whether you feel you can use a platform known for not respecting your choices.

Often times, it's a simple boolean value, do you want to trust that bool will stay the same, always?

Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by IAmEveryone on Sunday April 19, 2020 @10:22AM (#22916109)
Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy, much like appeal to authority or ad hominem, only that people online seem to have far less trouble recognising the later two than the former.
Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by t-writescode on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:38PM (#22917377)
I would argue that if there's anything true about American Society and the US Government is that we continually trend toward authoritarianism and there is no such slippery slope when it comes to the loss of freedom.
Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by lern_too_spel on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:10PM (#22917631)
The 13th Amendment and 19th Amendment are both net positive on freedom. Many other counterexamples exist.
Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by t-writescode on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:22PM (#22917738)
The 19th Amendment was signed in 1920.

Perhaps I should have said "since the Red Scare" or "since the War on Drugs"

Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by IAmEveryone on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:49PM (#22917912)
The civil rights movement came after “the red scare”.

In fact the end of McCarthy came after McCarthy. That particular abomination universally being understood as one the darkest periods is also progress.

I’m also somewhat certain the idea of any net loss of freedom over the last 50 years would be considered a bad joke by anyone not cis/white/hetero/male. Into the 70s, you weren’t allowed to take a job or have a bank account without your husband’s permission.

And if you insist on limiting this to just the freedoms of the all-American white bro: the Boomer generation was still subject to the draft. Spending two years in an Asian rainforest in perpetual danger of dying would seem to be quite worse, liberty-wise, than... whatever you're calling "authoritarianism".

Re:Google Apple Contact Tracing (GACT): a wolf in sheep’s cl... by lern_too_spel on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:47PM (#22917898)
Marijuana legalization, etc. The point is that your claim has thousands of counterexamples and so is fairly nonsensical. If anything, net freedom has been continuously increasing, especially for minority groups.