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Re:We've Built Cities We Can't Afford by mardifoufs on Saturday April 18, 2020 @02:52PM (#22910130)
Yep, in a lot of cities (and states) very generous pensions are what really bleeds their budget dry. Infrastructure cost is marginal and lot more infrastructure maintenance could be done without those gigantic pension expenses.

That's why infrastructure was much better in the past: most of the population was economically active and local governments didn't have any permanent financial burden like they have now. At the time most of the budgets could be allocated to direct city spending instead of starting with half of your budget already gone before you even have it.

Of course you could argue that it still means that we built cities that we couldn't afford since employee benefits are part of the normal expenses. But imo, it means more that , at the time, a few took advantage of local politicians unwillingness to go against more and more generous and unaffordable pension schemes that ended up crippling future generations with perpetual debt and underfunded services when they themselves never had such a burden to carry. If it wasnt for that borderline intergenerational theft , the infrastructure of our cities is not only something we could easily afford to maintain but could even be tremendously expanded.

Edit: I'm not arguing that pensions should not exist or that unions are bad. It's just that in the public sector specifically, ridiculous and unfair payouts were negotiated where the public sometimes ends up paying for far more than what the employees contributed themselves.

Re:We've Built Cities We Can't Afford by lotsofpulp on Saturday April 18, 2020 @04:31PM (#22910847)
I argue defined benefit pensions should not exist. There is clearly a conflict of interest between voters (100% of government employees who will want to increase their benefits) and politicians (who need the vote of all of those government employees because so many non government employees do not vote). You even wrote it yourself:

>That's why infrastructure was much better in the past: most of the population was economically active and local governments didn't have any permanent financial burden like they have now.

They didn't have the financial burden because their ancestors didn't punt labor costs decades into the future. And given the opportunity to punt labor costs decades into the future and provide lower taxes now, how is a politician who is prudent and wishes to account for today's costs today going to win an election?

The only solution is to ban defined benefit pensions (and all deferred compensation schemes) so there no longer exists one less avenue for future taxpayers to get taken for a ride.

Re:We've Built Cities We Can't Afford by ForHackernews on Saturday April 18, 2020 @05:27PM (#22911239)
> The only solution is to ban defined benefit pensions (and all deferred compensation schemes) so there no longer exists one less avenue for future taxpayers to get taken for a ride.

Then you'll have to raise wages for government jobs dramatically. The decent pension is one of the perks that attracts people to those careers.

I think the main problem is that governments never want to pay into the pension pot during boomtimes, and then they cry poverty when the economy is in a downturn. In principle, an "immortal" entity like a state pension fund should be much better positioned to manage risk over time than a single individual with only one lifetime and one 401(k).

Re:We've Built Cities We Can't Afford by lotsofpulp on Saturday April 18, 2020 @06:01PM (#22911479)
> Then you'll have to raise wages for government jobs dramatically.

I don’t see the problem with paying market wages to people to avoid screwing future taxpayers.

And there is no such thing as an immortal entity. My kids and I will be paying for benefits enjoyed by my parents and grandparents. (I know there are things my ancestors have done that I have and will benefit from, but I’m strictly speaking in context of payment/benefits for defined benefit pensions).